Media Idiocy

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First thing when I wake up is to put on 'Canada AM'. Imagine my dismay when they held an interview with Ben Stein this morning... and treated him as if he were a mentally functional human. That's something that I would have expected from Fox, but not a reputable news organization. Shame on my homeland. :mad:
 

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He's not that incompetent. I have no idea of what his views are but he has some political background, which is a lot more than most celebs can say.

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Ah, I just read some of his viewpoints. Never mind above statement.
 
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Benjamin Jeremy Stein (born November 25, 1944) is an American attorney, political figure, and entertainment personality who in his early career served as speechwriter for U.S. presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein


When I've heard him talk, he's always sounded mentally functional...
 
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When I've heard him talk, he's always sounded mentally functional...
Except perhaps his views on Intelligent Design and creationism?
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein


When I've heard him talk, he's always sounded mentally functional...
Also from wikipedia:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.
 
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...they held an interview with Ben Stein this morning... and treated him as if he were a mentally functional human. That's something that I would have expected from Fox, but not a reputable news organization.
And 2+2=......?
 
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And 2+2=......?
This reminds me of an old joke. A man is involved in a fender bender. He turns to his wife and says "darned women drivers". His wife says "I think the driver is a man.". He says "Well he drives like a woman."

Even so, and notwithstanding how poor TV news is, Fox really is a cut below.
 
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Except perhaps his views on Intelligent Design and creationism?
I suppose I've never heard him talk about ID and creationism...

I retract my statements fully.
 
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Well...

Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism:
 
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Well...

Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism:
:bugeye:
 
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Well...

Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism:
It was going *OK* until about 2 minutes in (that's when he started talking about how "terrible" it is that scientists were fired/denied funding/whatever when they started bringing up intelligent design).

EDIT: Wow it's getting worse and worse. GAHHHHH it's STILL getting worse. It ends in 30 seconds.... Let's see if it gets worse. Ehhh more of the same.

Ben Stein started by talking about how he believes that there are holes in darwinism and that creationism may answer some questions... Then he got worse by misleading information saying scientists are being punished for questioning darwinism. Then he got even worse by actually saying factually incorrect information...

EDIT2: I should add that I usually agree with Bill O'Reilly, but definitely not here...
 
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Someone, toss that man a dry beach ball!

Eh, I like Ben. Even if he is misinformed, who wouldn't enjoy dinner and a hayride with the man? As for Bill O'Reilly, he's definitely one of the few men I'd enjoy getting into a bar room brawl with.

*pokes Bill's eye out with intelligently designed fist*
 
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A good time with Bill Stein? Have you heard the man talk? Maybe if he kept his mouth shut and paid for dinner it would be alright.
 
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A good time with Bill Stein?
It's quite possible, since I believe that Bilstein is a casino in Vegas. Ben Stein, on the other hand, is a waste of skin.
 
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A good time with Bill Stein? Have you heard the man talk? Maybe if he kept his mouth shut and paid for dinner it would be alright.
I was jesting. I have heard him talk, yes. He also doesn't believe in GW or deforestation.

Regardless of differing views and ideas, I'm still capable of respecting another's opinion and getting along with him. He's a nice guy and quite fun to be around, I think. I wouldn't turn down any such offer.

Unless he spent the night going on about that nonsense. In which case I'd be looking for an exit.
 
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I'm still capable of respecting another's opinion
I never understood this point of view. Why should I respect someone else's opinion? Just because they have one? Need I remind you that some 40% of the USA believe God created all of Earth just the way we are in 6 days time? That's an opinion, and one I cannot bring myself to respect.
 
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Also from wikipedia:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.
Here is part of that video on youtube.
 
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Well...

Bill O'Reilly and Ben Stein on Creationism:
I'm all for the first amendment (freedom of speech = freedom to express one's opinions verbally), but O'Reilly goes beyond that when he asserts what Bill Maher or Christopher Hitchens would say in response to Stein's comments. Attributing future words to other people is simply wrong.
 
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Ben Stein said:
When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.
It seems to me that I have heard this argument before presented more thoughtfully. It was not science, but absolute certainty that was the villian. Non-scientists often treat science as if it was capable of providing absolute certainty. Perhaps a few scientists do as well. But it is wrong to blame science itself for such nonsense. Religion is treated the same way by many. But in that case you can blame religion itself which encourages that treatment.

I'm surprised at the trouble people are having putting two and two together. Even with a clue.
 
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It's amazing that people feel the need to create "pretend title" threads to thrown down their venom.

Who's up for the FOX/CNN challenge?
 
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I never understood this point of view. Why should I respect someone else's opinion? Just because they have one? Need I remind you that some 40% of the USA believe God created all of Earth just the way we are in 6 days time? That's an opinion, and one I cannot bring myself to respect.
Giving a person respect goes a long way in helping get along with them and having them respect you and your opinion. Who knows... you might even be able to sway each other from wrong ideas.
I have yet to see many people give respect to or be sway by someone who down right insults and blows off their beliefs and opinions. On the other hand it usually makes these people mad and more firmly entrenches them in their belief. They also have a tendency to want to get revenge on the person who does such a thing to them.
Just something to think about the next time you feel like degrading the beliefs of 40+% of the people who are your countrymen(possibly even neighbors) and take part in making decisions that effect your life and future. ;-)
 
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To me "respecting" someone's "rights" to voice an opinion, even if it is downright wrong, crazy or harmful, just means that I agree that by law they are allowed to say "downright wrong, crazy or harmful" things, but by no means do I "respect" the content of what they are saying.
 
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Is there a point to that question? :confused:
I just like to point out the double standard by which people judge Fox, that's all. If Fox does it, it's because Fox is not a reputable news organization. If someone else does it, it's a surprise because they are a reputable news organization. But that's illogical - if doing it would make Fox disreputable, then doing it also makes this other station disreputable. 2+2=4.

Fox gets a bad rap primarily because their bias is opposite the rest of the media's bias, not necessarily because it is more of a bias.
 
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