Meissner Effect: Levitating a Magnet & Lenz's Law

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The discussion revolves around the Meissner effect, particularly in the context of levitating magnets over superconductors and the relationship to Lenz's law and Faraday's law of induction. Participants explore the underlying mechanisms, implications, and related phenomena, including the behavior of diamagnetic materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the magnet causes electrons to flow in the superconductor, suggesting this might be similar to Lenz's law, while also noting the requirement for a change in magnetic flux according to Faraday's law.
  • Another participant asserts that the magnet must drop slightly before achieving a stable levitated state, indicating that this drop generates a current that persists as long as the material remains superconducting.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the Meissner effect is distinct from classical induction, stating that in superconductors, the current is proportional to the magnetic vector potential, referencing London's equation.
  • One participant mentions that not only superconductors but also diamagnetic substances can exhibit levitation, providing an example of high purity graphite floating over magnets.
  • Another participant elaborates on the complexity of the Meissner effect, discussing the necessity of understanding quantum mechanics and solid state theory, and explaining how the magnetic field behaves within superconductors.
  • A later reply clarifies that the induction of current in superconductors differs from classical Faraday's effect, noting that the magnetic field inside a superconductor does not change, leading to a unique quantum process involving vector potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms of the Meissner effect and its relationship to classical electromagnetic laws. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing perspectives remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of the Meissner effect and its dependence on quantum mechanics, indicating that a thorough understanding requires knowledge beyond classical physics. There are also distinctions made between Type I and Type II superconductors, suggesting different behaviors under similar conditions.

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When we see people levitate a magnet over a superconductor, Does the magnet cause electrons to flow in the superconductor and this creates a B field to hold up the magnet. Is this similar to lenz's law. And why does the stationary magnet cause electrons to flow, I thought we needed a change in magnetic flux to produce a voltage according to Faraday's law.
Any input will be much appreciated.
 
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Someone has to have something on the Meissner effect.
 
come on know one has anything on this .
 
Nah, I'm pretty sure the magnet must drop a little bit before it can stop in a levitated state.

If it drops, it will create a current. The current will keep existing forever (as long as the material is superconducting) so the B field is about constant.
 
The Meissner effect is conceptually different from the current induced in an infinitely good conductor by Faradays law of induction. In a superconductor, the current is directly proportional to the magnetic vector potential A. That's called Londons equation.
 
Btw, not only superconductors show levitation in magnetic fields but in principle any diamagnetic substance. E.g. I have some high purity graphite which also floats over some permanent magnets.
 
interesting thanks for the answers, And I've also seen where they float a magnet over the superconductor and they turn it over and it still stays there. So does it like attract it and then repel it .
 
The reason why nobody is giving you good answers is because Meisner Effect is quite complicated. You need to understand a good deal of quantum mechanics and solid state theory to understand where it comes from and how it works.

The basic statement that arises from this is that magnetic field within a superconductor cannot change without destroying superconducting state. The later is only possible if you excite the superconductor to a higher energy state, so you have to input a certain amount of energy. You can do so by increasing temperature or increasing external field, for example.

From here, all of the properties follow. If you attempt to change external field, the current inside superconductor changes, canceling the external field. So if you move a magnet towards a superconductor, superconductor itself becomes a magnet that repels the one you moved closer. Hence, levitation. You can also pass critical temperature with some external field already present. Then this field becomes "frozen" in the superconductor, and you can later use it as a powerful magnet. Particle accelerators and magnetic resonance spectrometers often use this.

By the way, induction of current in superconductor has little to do with classical Faraday's effect, exactly because the field never changes. Since dB/dt inside superconductor is zero, so is the electric field created by Faraday's Law. The actual process is entirely Quantum, and has to do with effects of vector potential on electron wave function.

P.S. All of the above is valid for Type I superconductor, and not necessarily for Type II, which is a bit different.
 
Thanks K^2 for you answer , you seem to know a lot .
 

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