Melting point and solubility in water of benzoic acid

In summary, in literature, benzoic acid, vanillin, phthalic acid, salicyclic acids have melting points and solubilities in water that can be used to calculate the volume of hot water that would be required to dissolve 0.15g of each compound.
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in literature, find melting point and solubility in water of benzoic acid, vanillin, phthalic acid, salicyclic acids. Calculate the expected volume of hot water that would be requried to dissolve 0.15g of each compound.

With info on melting point and solubility in water... how can you predict the amount of volume of water needed?? I know that you start by adding one drop and if it dissolves you add 10 drops more and if it doesn't dissolve you add 0.25ml more until it does dissolve... but how do you know how much to add if you're only given the melting point and the solubility?
 
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Solubility should be enough, not sure what melting point has to do with the question.
 
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jnimagine said:
in literature, find melting point and solubility in water of benzoic acid, vanillin, phthalic acid, salicyclic acids. Calculate the expected volume of hot water that would be requried to dissolve 0.15g of each compound.

With info on melting point and solubility in water... how can you predict the amount of volume of water needed?? I know that you start by adding one drop and if it dissolves you add 10 drops more and if it doesn't dissolve you add 0.25ml more until it does dissolve... but how do you know how much to add if you're only given the melting point and the solubility?


Is this for Physical Chemistry? There are equations that are available to use with your given parameters , however this seems to be for an organic chemistry lab.
 
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GCT said:
Is this for Physical Chemistry? There are equations that are available to use with your given parameters , however this seems to be for an organic chemistry lab.

yes this is for organic chem lab...
and.. I'm not getting it... :(
 
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OK, completely forgot. GCT referred to this equation:

[tex]\ln x = -\frac {\Delta H_m} R(\frac 1 T - \frac 1 T_m)[/tex]

This is so called (at least in Polish) ideal solution approximation to the solubility. x is a molar fraction of solute, T is temperature, Tm is a melting point, delta Hm is enthalpy of melting. In your case enthalpy of melting divided by R is just a constant:

[tex]\ln x = C (\frac 1 T - \frac 1 T_m)[/tex]

Knowing solubility in some temperature T and melting point you can calculate value of this constant for your substance, that in turns gives you simple equation linking solubility with temperature.

Problem is, this equation is as inaccurate as it is simple. It is only an approximation. For some solutions it works nicely, for some it fails. And in reality it is not really helpfull in the lab, as it doesn't tell anything about solubility of the substance in different solvents - it suggests that solubility of the substance in all solvents is identical, which is clearly wrong. That's why in most cases it is more effective to check solubilities in different solvents and different temperatures experimentally.
 
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Yeah that seems to be the right equation , however , he or she mentioned that this was for an organic lab. jnimagine , have you covered this equation? Even if you did not , you may use it to impress your teachers.
 
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GCT said:
Yeah that seems to be the right equation , however , he or she mentioned that this was for an organic lab. jnimagine , have you covered this equation? Even if you did not , you may use it to impress your teachers.

noo... we haven't covered any of that... since it's organic.
hmm... those equations will make me look smart for sure :P
but I don't think they want to see calculations... more a theoretical interpretation...
 
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Strong interactions between molecules in crystal -> high melting temperature & low solubility (unless interactions between molecules of solvet and solute are very strong, but that'll be no longer ideal solution).
 

What is the melting point of benzoic acid?

The melting point of benzoic acid is 122.4°C. This is the temperature at which the solid form of benzoic acid will turn into a liquid.

How does the melting point of benzoic acid compare to other organic compounds?

The melting point of benzoic acid is relatively high compared to other organic compounds. This is due to the strong intermolecular forces between the molecules of benzoic acid, which require more energy to break apart and turn into a liquid.

Is benzoic acid soluble in water?

Yes, benzoic acid is moderately soluble in water. This means that it can dissolve in water, but not to a large extent. The solubility of benzoic acid in water is about 3.7 g/L at room temperature.

Why is benzoic acid more soluble in hot water than cold water?

The solubility of benzoic acid in water increases with temperature. This is because at higher temperatures, the molecules of water have more energy and can break apart the intermolecular forces of benzoic acid more easily, allowing it to dissolve more readily.

How does the solubility of benzoic acid in water affect its use in pharmaceuticals and food additives?

The solubility of benzoic acid in water is an important factor in its use in pharmaceuticals and food additives. It is often used as a preservative in these products because it can dissolve in water and inhibit the growth of bacteria and fungi. Its solubility also allows for easier mixing and distribution within the product.

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