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Men are from Mars . Women are from Venus.

  1. Jul 13, 2003 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    Is this guy a space cadet, or does book speakum truth? I have never actually read this. I bought it but I don't even know where it is. I have listened to him quite a bit, and my wife got a calendar with a rule for each day sort of thing. Much of what I have seen really explodes with truth for me. But I can also see where his arguments might be viewed as pedantic, trite, or at least over simplified.
     
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  3. Jul 13, 2003 #2
    What this guy assumes is that men and women are completley different on just about everything, for example
    All women are more sensitive than all men, when in fact, for most things, the differences within each sex are greater than the differences between so it's like two bell shaped curves but majorly overlapping.
    This is such that reasonable percentages of one sex might have greater than the average of the other sex.
     
  4. Jul 13, 2003 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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    I see your point.

    How do you feel about statements like this one? Roughly: Men are problem solvers by nature. Often a woman will need to talk about her feeling, but the man keeps trying to solve her problem. She doesn't want her problems solved; instead she wants to express how she feels about it.

    When I heard this I immediately felt the rush of recognition of a previously unseen truth. How do you feel about statements like this? I assume that you think here he generalizes way too much? If so, how do you back up your position? I am not really disputing what you are saying, but I can see points for both sides. In fact, when it comes to women, well, I think they come from another planet. After twenty years of marriage I am still confused! If I had written the book, I might have landed the same title.

    Finally, at times when I have watched and listened to him, he has struck me as a new-age psycho-babblest.
     
  5. Jul 13, 2003 #4
    In some things, men and women are different, so maybe for commuication, men do so for function, or status whereas women might commuincate for connection or imtimacy.

    On another trait however, say aggressiveness, certain women are more aggresive than some men.
     
  6. Jul 14, 2003 #5
    I haven't read his books, but I have to agree that it seems like he's generalizing. The social interactions between men and women are way more complexed than he leads you to believe. When it comes to relationships, the only absolute is tha there are no absolutes. Sure you can say women are sensitive and just want to communicate thier feelings. Does that mean when she asks you to take out the trash you should hug her and encourage her to vent her frustrations about you taking out the trash? hell no, it means get up and take the trash out!
    But this guy would have you believe the former.

    Every women is different, and though you can make some base assumptions, I've found that there are so many exceptions to the rule, that the exceptions become the rule.
     
  7. Jul 14, 2003 #6

    Ivan Seeking

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    Is that the problem? Darn...

    Well really, the context to which I refer is perhaps a problem with her job...or her sister...or her sister...or her sister...what was I saying.... Oh yes. I really meant things that don't directly relate to our relationship.
     
  8. Jul 14, 2003 #7
    Well as long as you have a good consistant form of commuication, you should be alright..

    Ok there are many other factors, but that's important.
     
  9. Jul 14, 2003 #8

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    Remember ALL women are evil harpies who thrive on the misery of us men. Though lacking real intellect, they are cunning, thus you should never turn your back on one, however this is difficult but I have found painting eye spots on the back of my sweater is sufficent to fool them
     
  10. Jul 14, 2003 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    I assume that this knowledge comes from a long, happy, meaningful relationship?
     
  11. Jul 14, 2003 #10
    No, that's what psychologists called "virgin speak"
     
  12. Jul 14, 2003 #11

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    LOL @ above.

    I was double checking his post looking for a :smile:

    Unfortunately, there were none. So to quote a line from Capt Insano from Waterboy "I guarantee you that guy is still a virgin"

    Anyhow, I'd speculate that men and women all pretty much want the same thing, Respect.

    If you do not respect a person, how could you love one? I'd say respect is probably the single most important aspect of any relationship. If you donot respect the person, then you will run them over. Cheating, lies, etc all stem from a lack of respect.

    I don't know much about this guy, but I disagree with the title of the book. We're all pretty much the same, just different in little ways, customized to the individual.
     
  13. Jul 14, 2003 #12

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    Well let's see if I can give some counterexamples.... First, I would argue that historically, and I mean for all of recorded history, the distinctions between men and women, the masculine and the feminine, the yin and the yang, Norman Rockwell’s right angles and smooth curves, have been recognized. This idea of sameness is a new concept for most cultures. What's more, many people have argued against even differences in physical abilities. This would seem to leave no reason whatsoever for the long history of patriarchal cultures, and male physical dominance in humans and apes.

    Can anyone really dispute that by far, on the average, little boys are more aggressive, and more difficult to manage than little girls; and that boys are often quite found of tormenting girls but not the reverse? I know I sure was; and I did...every chance I got! Can anyone really equate a 15 year old boy to a girl of the same age? Young men and women are both driven by hormones, but there is a difference. If there wasn't, then my teen years would have been much less...um...lonely...restrained...right handed. Boy I would have sold my soul to find a girl with my sex drive!!!...when I was 16. Most young men that I knew were about the same more or less. One of the few guys that I knew that was not really really really desirous of girls turned out to be gay.

    Now, after being married for 17 years and together with my wife for 20 years, I am convinced that I am only starting to realize just how fundamentally different we are. We have always had an intense relationship. We are both stubborn and opinionated. But many problems that we struggled with for years really came down to communication. We actually had one recurring fight [verbal only, things have never gotten out of hand] that, only after ten years of going round and round did I realized that we were each fighting about something different. The disagreement did not even exist!

    I have also grown to believe that most communication problems that we have had originate in a fundamental mechanism of perception. I used to think that my wife was just being difficult, unreasonable, stubborn, single minded, or intentionally contrary. Now I understand that this perception stems from the huge void between her perception of the world and mine. I have also learned from other couples that most have endured the same difficulties. What is more, the men have mostly the same complaints about their wives, and the women agree equally about THOSE MEN. And don't deny it girls...I have heard it all! :wink:

    I would add that most 16 year old young men would be shocked to hear the discussions that go on in girls locker rooms. My wife finally confessed.
     
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  14. Jul 14, 2003 #13
    Men and women certainly are different.

    However, the amount they differ is less than pop psychology would lead you to believe.

    There are always examples of guys being more agressive then girls etc.
    But how do you define agression? I think there isn't that much differnecese between the sexes on that trait.
     
  15. Jul 15, 2003 #14

    Kerrie

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    i find it funny that no other females have commented on this topic...
     
  16. Jul 15, 2003 #15

    Ivan Seeking

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    well.... Is that all you're going to say?
     
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    The women on these forums must be intimidated:wink: There was a "what women want" topic in GF, and I started debating them, and they just shut up. Then again, maybe it's me

    Men and women have the same base instincts, but we do percieve things differently. To quote my post on another forum, A study was recently done about how men and women remember directions. It was found that while men would memorize key landmarks and other place markers to remember thier way, women would memorize step by step instructions to get there (ie 2 blocks then left, 3 blocks then right...etc) So this just illustrates the differences in the way men and women percieve the world.

    And ya, I would believe the locker room talk, actually
     
  18. Jul 15, 2003 #17

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    I see many on these boards are victims of womanist propaganda, they try to get to me too through the radio in my head but I just ignore them.











    PS. PERIODS ARE LY's!!!!!!!! It's just an excuse because every time there's a full-moon they revert back to their true nature which is a goblin-like demon known as a ghdaddB*&
     
  19. Jul 15, 2003 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    Are you gay? Since you don't like women, do you plan to pursue male companionship only?
     
  20. Jul 15, 2003 #19

    Ivan Seeking

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    My wife just emailed this to me:

    A valid study:
    A study in Kentucky showed that the kind of 'male face' that a woman
    finds attractive can differ depending on where she is in her menstrual cycle. For instance, if she is ovulating she is attracted to men with rugged and masculine features. And if she is menstruating, she is more prone to be attracted to a man with scissors shoved in his temple and a bat jammed up his rear while he is on fire.

    Is it any wonder I never sleep?
     
  21. Jul 15, 2003 #20

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    I'n not gay, women are gay!!!
     
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