A voice= harmonics= information feeding strings. The rest gives beautiful dimensionality. Where does Voice originate? Come on...We can do it!Philocrat said:A better version of your poem should read:
And the VOICE said let in Nothing be this
Let in this be now
Let in Now be that
Let in that be Nothing
And, truely, in that was Nothing
.......that would be the day!
That particular poem was incorporated into the Tao Te Ching. Because the original is in chinese, there are a number of different english language translations available. Just select a different translation at the top and you'll see what I mean.Matter said:Great pome! I would love to read more. Can you sagest where!
Perhaps we can us this poem or another insighful statement to progress our thinking. This poem is rather good as it gives, even though not directly, dimensions we observe on the side of our everyday consciousness and luckily we all share the same consciousness with a slightly different perspective.pocebokli said:what can we do? that poem seems like a paradox to me.....
Exactly, it is a paradox. So is the idea of getting something for nothing.pocebokli said:what can we do? that poem seems like a paradox to me.....
It's like asking if anyone is working on defining nowhere as a possible physical place. Pure nonsense.Shoshana said:Is anyone working on defining nothingness as a possible physical force with an unbelievably explosive nature do to its infinitely great potential for smallness in definition?
You are absolutely correct as far as I can imagine. NOWHERE would be the location of Nothingness and It is PURE-NON-SENSE. But we have to do better than that if we are going to place this thing on the map.Eh said:It's like asking if anyone is working on defining nowhere as a possible physical place. Pure nonsense.
POV:pocebokli said:yes but are we even able to get the POV of a paradox from "above" or are we forever trapped in them? ....... and i do not feel compelled to accept it as perhaps god or something similar.
Only when it has no specific context. Words only have demonstrable meaning according to their function in a given context. If someone asks me, "What's happening" and I tell them, "Nothing" it makes perfect sense. Likewise, in this case he asks a physical question about energy from nothing. Whether or not it really is energy from nothing is not the issue on the table.Eh said:It's like asking if anyone is working on defining nowhere as a possible physical place. Pure nonsense.
Perhaps we are not discussing philosophy in the classical sense. I would only hope the the mind unfolds as fast as the rest of nature and with as much grace and excellence.Eh said:Discussions about nothingness seldom have much to do with serious philosophy, and is usually more a matter of raping the english language.
Never was any good at mixed fractions. I have no business looking for the common denominator. But I'm a pretty strong donkey. Someone hook me up with a cart, I will "Work hard" to pull it a short distance.wuliheron said:Exactly, it is a paradox. So is the idea of getting something for nothing.
if you want something for nothing you have to work hard to get it (sic). :rofl:
YA! Language is indeed what we use until we develop more effective means of communication. There are personalities in the physics community who are gifted in several kinds of commuication beside physical expression and language. Several years ago I approached perhaps the most famous linguist of our time with need for assist in communicating these abstract concepts. He unfortunately was unable or unwilling to get involved. Yet Einstein himself was attracted to mystical concepts and his work reflects the ability to pull some of what we once considered metaphysics and ground them in mathematical constructs that are still being interpitated and reinturpitated today. Toward the end of his life he was heard admitting that he wished he had looked into Kabbalah. Obviously not the Hollywood kabbalah of today, but perhaps the kind that would have given hints as to which way we might look in order to continue to unify our understanding.magus niche said:surely this discussion has its essence rooted in the concept of language more than anything else. For it is language that gives us all the ability to argue on some sort of common ground where there is no such thing. In fact i wonder whether or not there is any point using energy to debate the paradox when poetry , art, and the perception of the physical world by our own sensory organs, combined with thought processes making sense of it all, gives us the pleasure we seem to need to survive. oh, there's a paradox in itself... he he he
oh well if you cant beat them, accept them (and forever ask yourself why you ever wanted to beat them anyway!)
experience made meaningful is nothing, but nothing made into a meaningful experience is a fallicy.
but then again, personal truths are all that there is, wrong?