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Mexican Air Force Pilots Videotape UFOs

  1. May 12, 2004 #1

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    http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/3292542/detail.html [Broken]

    Note: Slides and a Real Player video
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  3. May 12, 2004 #2
    It's even on CNN (so it must be true... ;-)

    http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/11/mexico.ufos.ap/index.html [Broken]
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  4. May 12, 2004 #3


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    Interesting. Could this mean the aliens are importing space drugs???
  5. May 12, 2004 #4

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    No, but these are illegal aliens.
  6. May 12, 2004 #5
    one detailed report-excellent-from Mexico



    check out Bruce Maccabee:


    quote:In the Mexico case the objects were picked up by an infrared
    imaging system that is like a TV system, but which is sensitive
    to the spectral range of 3,000 to 5,000 nm (3 - 5 micron range).
    This is beyond the spectral range of any infrared film, so if,
    within the last 57 years, there had been an infrared radiating
    UFO that was just "passing by" as someone took a picture using
    an ordinary camera, the UFO would not have been seen nor would
    it have been detected on film (not even on infrared film).


    and for detailed 'reports/discussions/latest news(above from here)


    'regular news':

    Source: ABC NewsOnline:Reuters source

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1106371.htm [Broken]


    Associated Press:


    “I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real,” added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator.

    Lt. Vazquez insisted there was no way to alter the recorded images.



    Source: CTV Canada

    [PLAIN]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1084326182029_16/?hub=SciTech [Broken]


    Mexican UFO Sighting No Big Deal: Analyst



    Santiago Yturria


    DATE: March 5, 2004
    TIME: 17:00 PM to 17:30 pm
    EVENT: On Comision
    LOCATION: Aerial Space Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche Mexico at
    10,500 Fts.
    COORDINATES: LAT N 18=B0 26.60=B4 : LON W 90=B0 45.69=B4
    DETECTION RATIO: 50 miles
    FLIR RANGE: - 40=B0C till more than 1,500=B0C
    AIRPLANE: Merlin C26A Bimotor

    Navigation Captain: Magdaleno Jasso Nu=F1ez
    FLIR Operator: Lt. Mario Adrian Vasquez
    RADAR Operator: Lt. German Ramirez
    Members of the 501 Aerial Squadron
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  7. May 13, 2004 #6

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    Another excellent post by the Mouse. :smile:
  8. May 13, 2004 #7

    The videos showing strange objects picked up by military
    aircraft were turned over to Jaime Maussan because he is a
    person "who has been interested all of his life" in the study of
    said phenomena, and was not given to scientists from
    institutions of higher learning "perhaps because we do not know
    them or know who they might be," according to General Gerardo
    Clemente Vega Garcia, Secretary of Defense.
    Source: Fundacion Cosmos AC and Milenio de Monterrey
    Date: May 12, 2004
    In an interview with the "Hoy por Hoy" radio show hosted by
    Carlos Loret de Mola, Vega Gacia
    Subject: Why Mexican Scientists Did Not Get UFO Evidenece
    Scott Corrales <lornis1.nul>


    The Sociedad Astronomica Urania of the state of Morelos said
    that the video presented by the Mexican Air Force could have a
    scientific explanation if we consider that given the shape and
    displacement of the 14 objects filmed, these appear to be a
    group of weather balloons, such as the thousands launched daily
    from universities, research centers or airports.

    The astronomica society claimed that this type of obejct is
    frequently confused by commercial or military pilots with UFOs
    given the strong air currents that convey them and the lack of
    references which would enable to determine their distance and
    The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
    May 13, 2004 Scott Corrales Translation
    Institute of Hispanic Ufology
    already 'written off' as balloons by 'experts'!!
    Kinda interesting that it was given to Maussan.....

    there's a 2 hour show on this Sunday in Mexico-
    interviews etc.....

    As Maccabee points out in one of his 'responses',
    at 2 miles away they should have been seen by
    the naked eye if they were solid objects reflecting
    light? ----and then only 3 of the objects were 'seen'
    by the radar?

    This is extremely 'wierd'--and then the very unusual
    'flight' of the ufos? They (2) fly away,come back as a
    group and follow the plane,then 'circle' the plane......

    'Natural phenomena'? 'Looks' like 'magic'?

    Or maybe helicopters at Waterloo?
  9. May 14, 2004 #8
    Weird... Be nice to see what develpos :)
  10. May 14, 2004 #9
    mexico has an air force? :eek: this has to be fake... :smile:
  11. May 16, 2004 #10
    very interesting article:
    Source: Newsmax.com


    UFOs Gone Wild
    Charles R. Smith

    The unidentified aircraft that shadowed the
    Mexican surveillance plane are reportedly part of a squadron of
    new stealth strike craft operating from the U.S.

    The aircraft are equipped with special infrared light panels
    that are only visible to special cameras or night vision gear.
    The panels are used in formation flying outside of hostile
    airspace to prevent the aircraft from colliding with each other
    or with support aircraft such as refueling planes. The panels
    are especially handy during aerial refueling with U.S.A.F.
    tankers, allowing the tanker operators to visually monitor the
    stealth planes in total darkness.

    Both North and South Korean sources have recently reported
    similar UFO- like aircraft in the skies of Asia. The sightings
    are almost identical to the reports filed by the Mexican Air

    The North Korean official media outlet recently announced that
    U.S. spy aircraft had violated the DPRK airspace over 200 times.

    A South Korean intelligence official has told the country's Chosun
    Ilbo newspaper that American intelligence has identified ten
    ballistic missiles and mobile launching pads at two locations...

    and furthermore
    Utah Donuts

    In addition, the recent UFO sighting in Mexico came within days
    of a report of a classified aircraft powered by an impulse type
    engine flying over Utah. The aircraft left a distinctive
    "donuts-on-a-rope" contrail in a flight over the Utah Wasatch

    The March 21st sighting of the pulser jet showed that a
    conventional chase plane shadowed the classified aircraft, which
    left a smooth, unbroken, contrail. A mechanical engineer from
    Salt Lake City photographed the contrasting exhaust plumes.

    A pulsejet engine was used during World War II by the German V-1
    Buzz bomb.....

    We're 'playing games' with Mexican AF?
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  13. May 17, 2004 #12
    smell something fishy somewhere cant put my finger on it
  14. May 18, 2004 #13
    The "explanations" by scientists so far have been truely hilarious.

    Meteors! Ball lightning! Plasma energy balls! Come on-for 31 minutes!!!

    and Balloons! of course! 200 miles per hour (everything invisible to the naked eye)
    Flying away from the plane-then returning with his buddies and surrounding the plane
    keeping at 2 miles distance......

    This was at 5pm in the afternoon--stealth aircraft are 'invisible' to radar--but should have been visible to the 16 human eyeballs !

    Maybe they were 'hyp-mo-tized'!!

    btw Maccabee posts at virtuallystrange -great 'list'

    Re: above post:UFOs Gone Wild Mexico secret

    Re:Smith Responds On Aircraft Invisibility -thread


    ((From "Sight Unseen" by Hopkins/Rainey. Page 61))

    NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory has proposed a sensor-and -
    display system that would create an illusion of transparency
    around almost any object. Whether an aircraft, a tank, or
    perhaps a building, the objects would effectively be invisible.
    Called "adaptive camouflage", these systems generate displays
    that change in response to changing scenes and lighting

    This technological "magic" actually mimics nature's own
    camouflage adaptation in which an animal's exterior color
    gradually changes to blend in with the color and texture of its



    For what its worth, I have been aware of this technology for
    over 15 years.

    I first heard about it from, of all people, John Lear.

    Considering the source, and the way it was described to me ("TV
    cameras on the top of the plane and TV monitors covering the
    bottom"), I regarded it with some suspicion, until the
    technology was confirmed to me by a Rockwell engineer who had
    worked on Senior Trend.

    I have no idea what stage of development the technology was in
    when I heard about it, but if we apply a generous development
    curve of about 10 years from drawing board to fully operational,
    it is conceivable that such planes are being deployed as we
    speak in hotspots worldwide.

    From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
    Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:53:35 -0700
    Fwd Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 06:54:59 -0400
    Subject: Re: Smith Responds On Aircraft Invisibility

    is the US in Mexican airspace? why not?

    this is more 'likely' than ET-no?
    And maybe there's more to this-propaganda war...
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  15. May 20, 2004 #14

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  16. May 21, 2004 #15
    I've seen the video, very interesting!
  17. May 21, 2004 #16

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  18. May 22, 2004 #17

    Mexico's FLIR Rep On AF UFO Case

    the FLIR representative for
    Mexico, Mr. Gilberto Rocha, was interviewed by Jaime Maussan
    regarding the images recorded by the FLIR STAR SAFIRE II aboard
    the Mexican Air Force Merlin airplane during the March 5, 2004
    incident over the Campeche area.

    NOTE: The comments and opinions expresed by Mr. Gilberto Rocha
    are his own, based on his experience and knowledge of the FLIR
    STAR SAFIRE II operational functions and do not necesarely
    represent FLIR Systems, Inc.'s opinion and points of view.

    Question: Mr. Rocha, you just have reviewed some images recorded
    by the Air Force during an anti-narcotics operation over
    Campeche on March 5, 2004. What is your opinion about them?

    Answer: These are interesting images because they are not
    common. I will try to explain myself.....

    ......represent round-shaped objects that
    cannot be compared to any known object ......

    Question: Could these have been any kind of conventional

    Answer. No, because conventional aircraft have very well defined
    temperature in their turbines and in front where friction is
    registered, therefore they could not be seen as rounded lights.
    Question: If these objects are not any known aircraft what do
    you think they are?

    Answer: In the strict sense of the word, avoiding any distortion
    or confusion, these are objects that fly and we can not identify.

    gosh....kinda wierd....ya mean they aint't meteors,ball lighting, balloons, pelicans, helicopeters, Venus,stealth fighters from USA etc!

    yeah, we don't know what they are,didn't really 'threaten' anybody so what the heck....who cares?
  19. May 22, 2004 #18
    I think this is interesting because of the source it comes from, which I don't really see being questioned. Many people have doubted such things actually happen, questioned the source, and so on. Now something like this comes to light and I detect a small change taking place, because while whatever may have caused this remains a mystery, there seems little mystery that the event took place. Good to keep an open mind and withold judgement sometimes.
  20. Aug 15, 2004 #19
    So what's up with this, guys? It's videotape of stuff moving that people saw, which we can't explain.??
  21. Aug 15, 2004 #20


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    The objects are so bright that they are not well-defined. So it looks to me like a stream of small, hot objects. Sounds like flares to me.

    But it still could be balloons reflecting sunlight: ever have a digital camera focus on a dark area, then take a picture with a bright light in it? It looks pretty much the same.

    If they were, in fact, moving fast, then satellite debris could be a reasonable explanation.

    In an case...
    Ha? It is the default position in science to assume a mundane explanation unless some compelling evidence can be presented to the contrary. Jumping to the "aliens" conclusion is not warranted here.
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