# Mexican Drug War

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The Sinaloa has been clearly the winner of all that competition among organized crime groups. And as a result of that, they have gained more economic power, they have been able to corrupt with more frequency and corrupt with more scope. Now you see that Sinaloa is the most powerful criminal group, not just in Mexico, but all over Latin America.
- Edgardo Buscaglia, professor of Mexican law and organized crime expert at ITAM and Columbia University.

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If that happens, if you negociate with a strong organized crime group from a weak state standpoint, the state will be taken over by organized crime.
-- Edgardo Buscaglia

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I've heard rumors the drug war has been spilling over the border into the southwestern border states. Can anyone confirm this?

I've read news reports of Mexican nationals being attacked in the US. It's sometimes difficult to sort out crimes committed by drug cartels and "regular" crime.

chemisttree
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I've heard rumors the drug war has been spilling over the border into the southwestern border states. Can anyone confirm this?

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or http://www.themonitor.com/articles/robbing-38763-cartel-zapata.html" [Broken]
or http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/03/world/la-fg-mexico-cash-20100603" [Broken]
or http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509042,00.html"

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You know, there is an extremely obvious solution to this problem...

TubbaBlubba
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I'll take a guess at the old libertarian "Legalize drugs to destroy the mafia".

TubbaBlubba
I can accept legalizing pot, but what about black-tar heroin? Hell, it could be the right-wing "close the border with fences and lasers!". I'm still waiting for Galteeth to expound on his obvious solution.

On a basic level I can agree with the legalization of pot compared to alcohol, but on the other hand I'm no great supporter of alcohol either, and pot is like the highway to lung cancer... But if it was legal, at least filtered smokes could be made to make it slightly less dangerous.

chemisttree
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You know, there is an extremely obvious solution to this problem...

You want armies of dangerous animals with guns out of work with the stroke of a pen? NIMBY!! Did organized crime go away when we repealed prohibition?

TubbaBlubba
I know what you mean about alcohol, but like alcohol marijuana really is in the culture to a great degree. At least you can eat, or volatilize ("vaporize") marijuana, and you don't have tobacco specific carcinogens. That said, do you know anyone who can't get pot at the drop of a hat? Lets tax it, regulate it, etc.

For drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and others, I can't see how that can be done. Hell, I even understand how alcohol could fall into that group given a different history, but we know that isn't happening. What I'd like to see are more impartial studies of the possible harm from cannabis, it's possible benefits, relative carcinogenicity and toxicity, and so on. I know I'd rather have people smoking something that wasn't sprayed with Raid or the like, and did I mention taxes? It already falls under DWI laws, so we have that...
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Marijuana is no where near as common in Sweden as in the US (though still not exactly RARE, but I would have no idea where to get it)

Ivan Seeking
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The legalization of drugs has had strong support from the most conservative elements of the US political arena.

Legalizing drugs would not only eliminate the funding mechanism for much of organized crime, but the financial benefits, through taxation and the reduced costs of law enforcement and incarceration, would be worth billions of dollars annually.

Organized crime turned in part to illegal drugs when prohibition ended. Drugs are now the bread and butter of organized crime.

I believe that drug laws are responsible for much if not most of the violent crime that we have today. They are destroying our cities and culture. Why would any young man in the ghetto choose to work hard for $10 per hour, when they can make$1000 a day or more by selling drugs? We also see the results of drug laws in our border States - utter chaos.

But above all, it is painfully obvious that drug laws don't work. They are the folly of fools and control freaks.

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You want armies of dangerous animals with guns out of work with the stroke of a pen? NIMBY!! Did organized crime go away when we repealed prohibition?

Crime will never go away, but it can certainly be reduced. The gangs wouldn't disappear overnight, but by limiting revenue sources, they will shrink.

As I believe they did after prohibition was repealed.

I can accept legalizing pot, but what about black-tar heroin? Hell, it could be the right-wing "close the border with fences and lasers!". I'm still waiting for Galteeth to expound on his obvious solution.

People still use heroin. You can't stop demand by trying to reduce supply. It just doesn't work that way. All you do is create income sources for bad people.

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One always has to be careful of propaganda put out by both sides after incidents like this. What is human trafficking anyway, showing some illegals the right hole in the fence to crawl through? If true, why was he never charged and how would that reduce the Border Patrol agent's guilt?

The other side claims he was a straight A student but I never saw any report cards offered as evidence.

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The other side claims he was a straight A student but I never saw any report cards offered as evidence.

That claim does not seem particularly relevant to anything.

Nor does the claim that he had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders.

They aren't throwing pebbles.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8C71P6O0&show_article=1

In 2008 over 200 BP officers were injured by rock throwers. They have been cleared to fire in self defence.

In so doing, they have given Mexicans, whether they be coyotes or federales, an excuse (in their minds) to shoot at Border Patrol agents.

Nor does the claim that he had a history of involvement with human smuggling and was on a list of repeat juvenile offenders.

I think the issue is whether shooting and killing him was justified. His status in life has nothing to do with it.

drankin
In so doing, they have given Mexicans, whether they be coyotes or federales, an excuse (in their minds) to shoot at Border Patrol agents.

Nobody has an excuse to shoot at Border Patrol agents. It's just been clarified that they will shoot if attacked.

Office_Shredder
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Nobody has an excuse to shoot at Border Patrol agents. It's just been clarified that they will shoot if attacked.

People can come up with whatever excuses they want. Excuse here isn't being used as a legal term

drankin
People can come up with whatever excuses they want. Excuse here isn't being used as a legal term

My point is that your comment doesn't mean anything. A cop shot the brother of a gang member the other day. Now the brother has an excuse to shoot cops. That's your logic.

In so doing, they have given Mexicans, whether they be coyotes or federales, an excuse (in their minds) to shoot at Border Patrol agents.

Get real they are already shooting at Border Patrol Agents. Three weeks ago a Sheriff's deputy was shot when he came upon drug smugglers in a rural area.

In the past two years this has turned into hard core drug and people smuggling operation The only time Mexican national police or army are involved is when they are being paid to be involved.

In May a local rancher was shot on his own land 20 miles north of the border. Trackers traced the assailants back to the Mexican border.

The stone throwing is always an attempt to break up an arrest on this side of the border.

Get real they are already shooting at Border Patrol Agents.

And this shooting will ________.

A. make the situation better

B. make the situation worse