MI String

1. Sep 20, 2005

croxbearer

I don't know if you have encountered this problem in Logic and Mathematics. Anyway, you may try this:

You are given with an initial string of MI.

Here are the rules:

i) If you have a string that ends with I you can add a U
ii) If you have an Mx, (i.e., an a string that starts with an M, with other characters succeeding it) you can double the characters succeeding the M, i.e., you may lengthen your string by writing Mxx
ii) If you have an III part on your string, you may replace it with a U
iv) If you have a UU in your string, you can drop this altogether, i.e., starting with an MUUU, you can drop the UU, to get MU.

Now, the question is: Could you produce a string containing the characters, MU? (without of course trespassing the bounds of the rules)

2. Sep 20, 2005

Rogerio

YES!
initial string "MI"
(rule 2) -> "MII"
(rule 2) -> "MIIII"
(rule 3) -> "MUI" : this string contains the characters MU !

But it's impossible to get the string "MU" as final result.

3. Sep 21, 2005

croxbearer

I am sorry. May I rephrase the question with:

Could you produce a string containing exactly the characters, MU?

4. Sep 21, 2005

NateTG

Obviously not, since you can never get a string that does not contain at least one I.

Proof:
Consdier how the various operations alter the number of I's mod 3:
1,3, and 4 do not change it at all, and 2 multiplies the total number of I's by two.
Thus you cannot get from a string that has a number of I's that is not zero mod 3 to one that is. Specificall you cannot get from a string that contains one I to one that contains zero.

5. Sep 21, 2005

Xargoth

You can double the x where $$M_x$$

3I is equal to U

$$\frac{2^n}{3}$$

You are doomed to end up with 1 "I" remaining..

6. Sep 21, 2005

gnpatterson

It is possible to get MIIIII (5 I's) so why shouldn't it be possible to get more numbers?

mi->mii->miiii->miiiiiiii->miiiiiiiu->miiiiiuu->miiiii

Last edited: Sep 21, 2005
7. Sep 21, 2005

gnpatterson

OK I think i see it now, It seems to be impossible to get to 3 from 1 by doubling, i can get any number mod 3 = 1 or 2.

8. Sep 21, 2005

Xargoth

Oh i was trying to say minimum # of I can only be 1, i didn't mean to rule out "2"