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Microsoft is sleazy

  1. Aug 23, 2015 #1

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    I have recently read an article on Forbes, and I thought I would share:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/17/windows-10s-pirated-software-searches/

    So Microsoft has been reduced to copying and pasting section 7b, and trying to keep it under the table. What are your thoughts about this?

    If you are a windows user, how do you feel about the recent update?

    As a mac user, I'm looking into the windows bubble laughing for now. I can't believe they are doing this to their market share.
     
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  4. Aug 23, 2015 #3

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    What will you do while you wait for it? Will you use windows 10?
     
  5. Aug 23, 2015 #4
    I am using windows 7 and intend to jump to 11. I hope that isn't going to hurt any customers or violate any rules. :oldsmile:
     
  6. Aug 23, 2015 #5

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    Still saving money to buy myself a Mac.
     
  7. Aug 23, 2015 #6
    How dare Microsoft try to keep people from breaking the law! How incredibly sleazy of them!
     
  8. Aug 23, 2015 #7

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    This is not the issue. It is the means they use and how they decide for you what your rights are. People ought to know too, that, with very few exceptions, the now-rich countries did not respect copyright nor intellectual properties in their respective earlier days, yet now expect everyone to follow them, at a high cot to developing countries, a cost the rich countries ever had to pay. And breaking a law that is not fair, that benefits microsoft at others' expense is not the end of the world.
     
  9. Aug 23, 2015 #8
    The local MICROSOFT store personnel described WINDOWS 10 as a response to vast customer dissatisfaction with the most recent operating systems. People did not like being "integrated' into a single platform. The store personnel see it as a reversion to earlier format, with start up menus and things like that. Things people like.

    I went to the MICROSOFT store to get a slow computer fixed. Had VISTA on it, still does. I won't go through the month and a half, multiple visits to the store and likely a dozen calls ending up in the Phillipines and also India for advanced support, but they never could really fix it, refunded all my $150, kept me enrolled for one year and five devices under their MICROSFT ASSURE service plan, $50, and cleaned up my backup computer. It was a technological disaster for MICROSOFT, but they bent over backwards trying to help. As soon as I mentioned MICROSOFT ASSURE and gave them my number personnel stuck with me through thick and thin. The local store manager was so embarrassed he even gave me a free DVD entitling me to a free Windows 10 upgrade. edit: The Windows 10 did not work, my computer drivers were incompatable with it!!

    I am not gonna touch anything on my computer lest it revert to fighting with me again.
     
  10. Aug 23, 2015 #9
    Can you explain what that means?
     
  11. Aug 23, 2015 #10

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    I was addressing Ulianjay's post on law breakers, meaning ( I understood ) copyright violators. Now-rich countries were able to build themselves up , in part, y not having to pay to have access to intellectual property. It seems unfair to now put an undue burden on poor countries trying to build themselves up by restricting their access to intellectual property. Let them ignore copyright until they are able to compete on a level ground.

    http://www.cuil.pt/r.php?cx=002825717068136152164:qf0jmwd8jku&cof=FORID:10&ie=UTF-8&q=Bad+samaritans+book&sa=Search
     
  12. Aug 23, 2015 #11
    I still don't get. Can you give an example?
    I'm not objecting, I just don't understand.
     
  13. Aug 23, 2015 #12

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    No problem. If these countries have to pay and wait to have access to intellectual property, this makes it harder for them to compete on equal footing. Imagine a car maker in a third-world country having to compete (at least in their own markets) against, e.g., VW without having access to some of the car-producing technology , without access to enough $$ to buy access to the technology. I propose :let them have free access to the technology until they are strong-enough to compete on an equal footing and after that, have them follow the laws like everyone else.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2015 #13

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    I personally wouldn't like this idea:

    - Spending an all nighter writing a really long report, which is due the next day.
    - Leaving my computer on overnight.
    - Having Microsoft send me an automatic update while I'm asleep.
    - Waking up the next morning to find out the update has made all the work I just did useless. Just because they feel like it.

    There's a serious issue with allowing people to access your hardware and software whenever they want to, especially if the victim has not been informed about the new agreement. No one reads those user agreements anyway right? Lets be honest, people hit accept, and accept their fate blindly. I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable letting someone have access to what has become my life whenever they feel like it. Most people spend their days on their computer, right?

    It's kind of like prism, but you actually hit 'accept'.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2015 #14

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    I guess this is partly the price we pay to have "high-level" technology available to us, technology we know how to use ,but that we do not understand how it works at a more basic level. We do not understand well enough the technology to be able to evaluate the terms of service imposed nor even offered to us.
     
  16. Aug 23, 2015 #15
    Auto-save in Word? Save documents on a regular basis (advice given in course outlines in some universities), as well as make a backup copy (so you have no excuses for missing the deadline for handing it in).
     
  17. Aug 23, 2015 #16

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    I'm not sure about the specifics, but if they disable all of the software, then I don't think you have a document anymore? I'm not sure if they let you open files created using pirated software, but then again I'd rather not find out.

    It's quite a profitable play on Microsoft's part anyway. Plenty of economic analysis going on there considering they can scavenge revenue from the consequences. Sure they will lose quite a bit of market share when people find out, but I'm sure all the extra sales will make up for it (among other things).

    I wonder what the next step in the Microsoft scandal is? They're probably going to be able to ftp files off your computer for all we know.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2015 #17

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    But microsoft has a virtual monopoly/oligopoly. It is just not feasible to do away with millions of dollars worth of software, buy new software from a competitor and retrain all your employees to work with new software. Specially when most of the population ( incl. myself here ) has such a limited understanding of computers and programming.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2015 #18
    I was under the assumption you were making your Word document in a genuine version of a program, not a pirated version.

    I believe if pirated software is found, only that software is disabled.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2015 #19

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    My version is real, but what about millions of other people? I wonder how many people have downloaded their software, and used it without paying?

    I wonder if we're all going to have to migrate to a linux kernel just to protect our belongings.

    What if you bought a piece of hardware from another country, and Microsoft chooses to disable it because they think it's illegal?
     
  21. Aug 23, 2015 #20

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    Isn't it possible to get copies of older versions Office 365 for free? I think I have seen, copies of , e.g., Access 2007 or 2010 and other older versions of Office 365 programs available for free.
     
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