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Military is pulling choppers out of the bone yard

  1. Sep 16, 2005 #1
    The military is pulling retired helicopters out of a huge storage facility in Southern Arizona. Known as the bone yard to locals, the facility contains thousands of retired aircraft from all of the military services including the National guard.

    The Super Stallion, and Sea Dragon choppers are being refurbished and sent to Iraq. The Bush Administration first forced our soldiers into providing themselves with hillbilly armored Humvees and now we are sending them 30 year old helicopters.

    If this is what results from giving tax cuts to the wealthy, it is time to rethink our priorities.

    Check the third picture in this link. (please do not look at the Paris Hilton Pic) Our troops deserve better. :grumpy:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/23/94820/8149
     
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  3. Sep 16, 2005 #2
    A little dark humor from the comments section there:
     
  4. Sep 16, 2005 #3
    I stand by my position that, if America really wanted a stable Iraq, they shouldn't be taking the "Hi-Tech" "overwhelming firepower" routes anyways.
     
  5. Sep 16, 2005 #4

    Pengwuino

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    ... i guess this is shocking... considering they take old aircraft and ships out of mothball yards all the time....

    I believe recently the marines asked for a WW2 battleship to be brought out of mothball to support them on beach landings since newer battleship's guns don't have enough range and sending cruise missiles for a 30 mile attack is overkill and expensive.

    I guess even the most common procedures can be used as an attack on the administration....
     
  6. Sep 16, 2005 #5

    Pengwuino

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    Then what should we use? Swords and 'barely enough firepower'?

    Oh, canadians.... i get it.
     
  7. Sep 16, 2005 #6
    Do you have any links to support retired aircraft being sent into combat?

    Ahh yes it is all over the news about the Marines wanting WWII battleships. :tongue2:

    Man where did you get that from? They use air cover to support landings, and they sure as hell aren't making any landings in Iraq.

    The last Battleship recommissioned was the New Jersey in 1992. Ronald Reagan thought it would be helpful to use it to shell Lebanon, it wasn't. After several months one of the main gun turrets blew up killing the gun crew.
     
  8. Sep 16, 2005 #7

    Pengwuino

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    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/bb-61.htm

    Fairly common. You would like to just modernize massive 10,000 ton+ ships instead of creating entirely new ones whenever possible... saves money and all.

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20050415.shtml

    And they do not like to use air cover to support landings. The best close-combat air support the US has is the A-10 which ... sadly... is starting to be seriously considered for phasing out. Battleships on the other hand, can put muuuuuuuuuuuuch more firepower on many more sites then an airplane can.... and can do it cheaper... albeit less accurately.

    The DDX ship mentioned is also a light, high-tech ship being made... small guns... but if i remember correctly, the design looks pretty cool and futuristic.
     
  9. Sep 16, 2005 #8
    The link above was a nice historical look at WWII battle ships, but supports nothing that is current.

    The second link is primarily wishful, but not necessarily wise thinking by Oliver North. The link doesn't support anything about current or even recent ship recommissions. There have been none.

    My thread was about how our troops are suffering and dying to a great extent due to the tax cuts, no more no less.

    If a person can't see this by looking at the pictures in the link, there is nothing else I can say.

    But I personally do not feel that our soldiers should have to drive around Iraq in vehicles like the one in the picture with the garbage bin in the back being used as a gun turret. That is totally lame!!! :grumpy:

    If we have to pull 30 year old choppers out of the bone yard so that the likes of Donald Trump and Paris Hilton can eat more caviar and buy more jewlery, someone has lost track of their priorities.
     
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  10. Sep 16, 2005 #9

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    Well, get back to me when your ideology stops clouding your judgement and you read a book or two on military history and you cut out the non-sex related paris hilton jokes.
     
  11. Sep 17, 2005 #10
    So from your point of view it appears that providing American soldiers with modern equipment is "clouded judgement".

    I have read many books on military history. I started reading them about 1955. When did you start? No book on military history applies to the current situation.

    I was not joking about Trump and Hilton, I was dead serious.
     
  12. Sep 17, 2005 #11
    I never would have guessed that the fall of the neo-cons would be so depressing to watch.
     
  13. Sep 17, 2005 #12
    I've had some of that same sense the last few weeks. Not quite depression, more like "Oh God, even when they crash into the ground they drag the rest of us down." It will get better, eventually.
     
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  15. Sep 17, 2005 #14
    How old is the F/A-18 A/C/D or how about the f-16 and f-15? The military uses a lot of old aircraft all the time. America has the largest military budget in the world and I believe Bush has done nothing but increase military spending....

    I don't know for sure but if I remember correctly, Clinton made major cuts on military spending.....

    So my point is, where do you come off saying that tax cuts are responsible for this? And why is this such a bad thing? Do you have any reasonable argument to suggest that these older aircraft cannot be made serviceable? I believe civilian airliners use the Arizona desert for aircraft preservation as well.
     
  16. Sep 17, 2005 #15
    You mean you really expected them to go out peacefully? I for one totally expected this.
     
  17. Sep 17, 2005 #16
    You expected what? What do you suppose is happening that you're seeing?
     
  18. Sep 17, 2005 #17
    That is a ultra-simplistic point of view, don't you think?
     
  19. Sep 17, 2005 #18
    I don't mean depressing like my dog just died or such, but depressing like watching a baseball game where the pitcher just can't manage to get anything over the plate.
    I fully anticipated the kicking and screaming, I just expected it to be fun to watch.
     
  20. Sep 17, 2005 #19

    Ivan Seeking

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    Does anyone remember when the Monica Lewinski issue was supposed to be important?
     
  21. Sep 17, 2005 #20
    Because you weren't thinking of it in a moral way. You were thinking of it like "Us vs Them" and they're going to lose, so you expected to enjoy it. Not realising we're actually talking about people's lives here. Lots of people make that mistake, ever since the media video game-ized war.
     
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