# Moments and Equivalent Systems

1. Oct 12, 2008

### Oblivion77

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Here is the problem I am stuck on, need some advice

2. Relevant equations

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3. The attempt at a solution

I found the moment to be -19.282 for the system shown (not sure if it correct) but I am confused about how to drawing will look for the equivalent system. (- is added for the moment since it is clockwise)

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2. Oct 12, 2008

### LowlyPion

The question doesn't suggest that there is no net moment or force about O.

To calculate the Force couple you want to separate the forces into their x,y components. To calculate moments then you want to take the x,y components and sum their moments about the point of reference.

3. Oct 12, 2008

### Oblivion77

Whoops I was thinking of something different for that.

Anyways, once I find the moment acting on O, would it be the same for the equivalent system right?

4. Oct 12, 2008

### LowlyPion

Yes. And the Force Couple too. Otherwise it wouldn't be equivalent would it?

5. Oct 12, 2008

### Oblivion77

Ok, did I do this right so far?

Sum of Fx, 1.3 + 1.477 = 2.777kN
Sum of Fy, 1.196kN
Sum of the Moment about point O, -78 + 58.718 = -19.282kN-M

I know the sum of the forces and moment about O in the equivalent system needs to be the same, but I am not sure if the couple will be the same in both.

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6. Oct 12, 2008

### LowlyPion

I think there should be 3 terms in your moment equation. There are the coupled x component moments acting in opposition at 60m on each side of O and there is the negative moment contribution from the y component acting at 25m to O. I get -19.315 which I guess is close enough.

Edit: As for the couple, why wouldn't it be? Whatever equivalent system is in the x,y plane because that's where those forces are acting.

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7. Oct 12, 2008

### Oblivion77

Thanks for all the help? Would the answer to the problem be -19.282/-19.315?

8. Oct 13, 2008

### LowlyPion

Well of course I like my number better. But yours or mine is likely within the precision of the grading system.

So long as you were calculating the moment from the components of Fb, I think that is what the exercise is about.

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