Understanding Momentum Conservation: Exploring Kinetic Energy and Its Effects

In summary: If kinetic energy is lost to friction, then you do not have a closed system, so the lost momentum, like the lost energy is being transferred to another body outside the sysWork out the numbers. You will see, only KE is lost, not momentum.Where did the momentum go?
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physea
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I read that kinetic energy may not be preserved, but momentum must always be preserved.

How can that be? If there's a loss in kinetic energy due to friction or heat, the velocities will be reduced thus momentum will be reduced?
 
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physea said:
If there's a loss in kinetic energy due to friction or heat, the velocities will be reduced thus momentum will be reduced?
Momentum is a vector, so it may be zero to begin with. For example two objects with same mass, one moving at v and the other at -v. If they collide and stick together then the KE reduces to zero whereas the momentum was always zero.
 
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Dale said:
Momentum is a vector, so it may be zero to begin with. For example two objects with same mass, one moving at v and the other at -v. If they collide and stick together then the KE reduces to zero whereas the momentum was always zero.

Obviously we are not talking about the exceptional situation that momentum is zero and remains zero...
 
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physea said:
I read that kinetic energy may not be preserved, but momentum must always be preserved.

How can that be?

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physea said:
Obviously we are not talking about the exceptional situation that momentum is zero and remains zero...
It is not an exceptional situation. Any collision can be analyzed in the center of momentum frame. It is one of the most common strategies for solving collision problems in particle physics.

In any case, the rule you are questioning applies in this scenario.
 
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physea said:
I read that kinetic energy may not be preserved, but momentum must always be preserved.

How can that be? If there's a loss in kinetic energy due to friction or heat, the velocities will be reduced thus momentum will be reduced?

If kinetic energy is lost to friction, then you do not have a closed system, so the lost momentum, like the lost energy is being transferred to another body outside the sys
 
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PeroK said:
If kinetic energy is lost to friction, then you do not have a closed system, so the lost momentum, like the lost energy is being transferred to another body outside the sys
Why must the friction be with a body outside the system?
 
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A.T. said:

What about an item crashing into another and they become one and this one aggregate moves very little?
Isn't that both energy and momentum loss?
 
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physea said:
What about an item crashing into another and they become one and this one aggregate moves very little?
Isn't that both energy and momentum loss?
Where did the momentum go?
 
  • #10
physea said:
I read that kinetic energy may not be preserved, but momentum must always be preserved.

How can that be? If there's a loss in kinetic energy due to friction or heat, the velocities will be reduced thus momentum will be reduced?
Think about a collision between two identical objects that stick together, one starting stationary. The final speed is half the initial speed of the first object, momentum is conserved and energy is lost. The math to demonstrate this is straightforward...

[Edit...someone posted an animation of this...]
 
  • #11
physea said:
I read that kinetic energy may not be preserved, but momentum must always be preserved.

How can that be?
Internal forces can transform energy form one form to another, but cannot change momentum.
 
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physea said:
What about an item crashing into another and they become one and this one aggregate moves very little?
Isn't that both energy and momentum loss?
Work out the numbers. You will see, only KE is lost, not momentum.
 
  • #13
physea said:
What about an item crashing into another and they become one and this one aggregate moves very little?
Isn't that both energy and momentum loss?

The key is to consider the system to be composed of both items.
 

1. What is momentum conservation?

Momentum conservation is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the total momentum of a closed system remains constant in both magnitude and direction, unless acted upon by an external force. In simpler terms, it means that the total amount of motion in a system remains the same unless an external force is applied.

2. How is momentum related to kinetic energy?

Momentum and kinetic energy are closely related, as both are measures of motion. However, while momentum measures the quantity of motion, kinetic energy measures the quantity of motion and the mass of the object. In other words, momentum is the product of an object's mass and velocity, while kinetic energy is the product of half the mass and the square of the velocity.

3. What are some examples of momentum conservation in everyday life?

Momentum conservation can be observed in many everyday situations. For example, when a car collides with another car, the total momentum of the system remains the same before and after the collision, even though the individual momentums of the two cars may change. This also applies to sports, such as when a baseball player catches a ball, the momentum of the ball is transferred to the player's body.

4. How does momentum conservation play a role in understanding the effects of collisions?

Understanding momentum conservation is crucial in analyzing the effects of collisions. In a perfectly elastic collision, where no energy is lost, the total momentum of the system remains the same before and after the collision. However, in an inelastic collision, where some energy is lost in the form of heat or sound, the total momentum of the system may change due to the external forces acting on the objects.

5. How does momentum conservation relate to Newton's third law of motion?

Newton's third law of motion states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is closely related to momentum conservation, as when two objects collide, the force exerted on each other is equal and opposite, therefore their momentums must also be equal and opposite. This principle is also applicable in many other scenarios, such as when a rocket is launched into space, the force exerted by the exhaust gases on the rocket is equal and opposite to the force propelling the rocket forward.

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