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Montreal vs. The Rest of Canada.

  1. Oct 12, 2004 #1
    I'm a New Yorker, and I visited Montreal this summer on vacation, and I just wanted to know how it compared to other Canadian cities.

    So, could some friendly Canadians tell me whether or not most of the things I noted about Montreal are common to other Canadian cities?

    - It seemed like every single person was smoking cigarettes, and every restaurant allowed smoking inside. I know you guys get crap from Americans for being too socialist, but in New York there are way tighter restrictions on smoking, and I can't stand the smell of cigarettes.

    - The total tax I payed on everything was around 15%, as opposed to the 8% I pay in NY.

    - No Deli's.

    - Hip-hop seemed to not be popular.

    - Lots of homeless people, like one every 3 blocks or so in the nice areas.

    Also, I was wondering what gasoline prices were in the great white North, and if your government purposely polluted CO2 in order to more quickly bring about global warming.
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  3. Oct 12, 2004 #2
    8.75% sales tax and that's also very high :bugeye:
  4. Oct 12, 2004 #3
    Ok, well first of all, Montreal and Quebec in general are very different from the rest of Canada.

    I’ll describe Ontario because it’s where I live.

    - No smoking in bars or restaurants at all (in most major cities)
    - Drinking age 19
    - Tax (GST and PST) = 15%
    - Hip Hop’s popularity varies greatly with where you go
    - Delis aren’t that hard to find
    - Homelessness is a big problem, but it’s probably most visible in Toronto

    But yeah, you can’t really judge Canada or say that you’ve been here unless you visit a broad range of places, as you would have to in order to make a similar claim about the US.
  5. Oct 13, 2004 #4


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    There is not law for no-smoking in restaurant in the province yet but some restaurent have started to ban smoking. Other province in canada have other legistation

    That is the norm in canada except Alberta. You have the federal tax (7%) and the provincial tax (8%). If your from the outside the country, your taxe can be reimbursed at a designated placed.

    You sure you visited montreal.

    Unfortuane but there a large part of the yound generation that like the music and like to go downtown montreal to blast their car audio system

    Montreal is the major city in the province, so it attracts a lot of people especially teenager which do not work. I'm in Halifax now, and see several homeless guy but it is not as bad as downtown montreal.

    Canada ratified Kyoto and the gaz price in Halifax is between 90 to 94 cents per litres.
  6. Oct 13, 2004 #5
    Manitoba (north of Minnesota) is already a non-smoking province, and I think New Brunswick (north of Maine) is considering doing the same thing. Victoria (west coast, capital of BC) is a non-smoking metro area. The only places people can smoke are in their own house & their own car. I think making BC a non-smoking province has also come up, but we're not as far along as NB is.
  7. Oct 13, 2004 #6

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    Dont come to the UK then... VAT here is 17.5% :surprised
  8. Oct 13, 2004 #7
    Montreal I hear is a very nice city(never been there, just flying thru)
    Toronto(centre of the universe) ,nothing really speciall about it looks like one big suburb or poor cousin to Chicago.(if you don't have medicall insurance don't mention anything negative about Toronto to the torontonians :wink: )
    Vancouver is the best of them all,ocean,mountains climat is excellent.
    Halifax is also pretty cool city.
    Yeah! they are going too far with the smoking bans,(no smoking in the bar/pub while sipping beer, I can't imagine -pure essence of live :tongue: )
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  9. Oct 13, 2004 #8
    Hard to believe alot of Americans want to become more like Canada!
    Come visit New Hampshire next time, we pay 0.000% sales tax.
  10. Oct 13, 2004 #9
    How does the state government make income? Do you have ridiculously high taxes in other areas, or do you just have a very limited government in NH?

    I'm not opposed to paying high taxes, so long as paying higher taxes actually helps people. If my high taxe rate gives poor people free medical care, I'm fine with that, so long as the government is honest and doesn't pander the money.
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    We pay zero in medical bills. We pay zero taxes when we win at lotteries/casinos. We have no highway tolls. We pay very little in tuition. In fact, McGill University, which is in MONTREAL, (a world reknown university) has their tuition fees at $2000CDN, which is nothing compared to the corporate owned school system in the US.

    Hmm... what would you choose?

    Canada is great. The US isn't an option for me.

    You're complaining about Canada and its pollution. Where are you from? The US. I wouldn't talk. In fact, I wouldn't show my face when it comes to pollution.

    Smoking is not common at all, or atleast not around here, which is Niagara Falls, Ontario.

    The real question is...

    Is Buffalo like every city in the US? I mean is there cops everywhere! Is there people looking around constantly like you are going to pull a gun on them?

    Note: Who said the hip hop attitude is good? You're making it sound like not having is bad. I think its good that it isn't so big over here. I don't really enjoy seeing people walking like they have a broken leg if you know what I mean.
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  12. Oct 13, 2004 #11
    ^^^ to add to that...
    how many millions of people in the US have no health insurance?
    how many in Canada? zero
    compared with Canada, the US is almost like a 3rd-world country when it comes to inequality, etc. We don't need SATs, for example, because there isn't really such a thing as "good school" & "bad school" since all schools are pretty much the same, and so are universities. A university might specialize in one thing or another, so it might make a difference what grad school you go to, but undergrad degrees are all pretty similar across the country. There also aren't really any schools for the "rich kids" or "establishment" or whatever.

    Canada IS a 3rd-world country (not LIKE one) when it comes to other stuff though, like foreign ownership & domination, virtually no industrialization, staple-exporting economy, etc. (& I'm not proud of it)
  13. Oct 14, 2004 #12
    Woah hombre, I'm not trying to get peoplpe arguing about which country is superior, just trying to figure out what the rest of Canada is like compared to Montreal and New York.

    I don't think anyone said anything about pollution actually, only me saying lots of people smoked in Montreal...

    And I don't think the real question is "Is buffalo like every city in the US?", that wasn't what I was trying to figure out. You're taking a really argumentative approach to this, I'm not trying to put Canada down or say they're inferorior or anything.

    And I don't think the Hip Hop attitude is a good thing, I liked not seeing/hearing hip-hop people in Montreal.
  14. Oct 14, 2004 #13
    I have also noticed how Canada almost does not have any reall competitive industry(except few car assembly plants). What is left is cutting trees on masssive scale,mining,farming, destructive oil production in Alberta etc.
    No wonder they call Canada the Brazil of the north.
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    You made a statement about Canada doing CO2 pollution to get global warming and warm the country. (It is an implicit statement in your post, and not to be ignored.)

    Hmm... that's not a statement about Canada's pollution control. :grumpy:

    Put it this way.

    Asking if Montreal is like the rest of Canada is like asking if Miami is like the rest of the US. The obvious answer arises.

    Personally, going to Montreal will also not tell you much about Quebec either. Quebec City is a beautiful city and it is a shame you didn't pass by there.

    On another note, I hope you made the attempt to speak french where it was appreciated. If not, don't worry about it since every stupid Canadian here doesn't make an effort either. It's no wonder Quebec wants to separate.
  16. Oct 14, 2004 #15
    That was supposed to be a joke, like it's too cold so your politicians promise to promote global warming and make Canada toasty, just something I thought would be funny.
    Alright, you don't have to get so defensive, I was just trying to figure out what the differences were...
  17. Oct 14, 2004 #16
    first thing you have to remember when steping in Quebec is that it like steping inside another country IN canada, same like steping in Montreal is like another province IN Quebec, you cant compare cities here, there are all too different, Vancouver is Asian heaven, signs in some places are written in Manderine, Calgary/Edmonton are hick hillybilly towns of Canada, Regina Saskatoon are farming cities, Winipeg has its problems, Ottawa is our Capital NOT Toronto, Toronto is the eastern immigrant paradise, right before Montreal, Quebec City are all sepratist

    Alberta and Quebec have pretty much the exact same views except one is an English province the other is a french one

    now I grossly generalized, but thats the best answer i can come up with as far as cities go, and I HAVE been and spent time in all those cities so i am not making a blind generalization
  18. Oct 14, 2004 #17
    You say you pay zero medical bills! lol What percentage of your paycheck goes to your government? How much tax do you pay for gasoline?, cigarettes? The difference is we get to choose our medical, your government chooses it for you but we both pay one way or another. Most Americans like choices.

    USA no question.

    No problem here with that.

    Even with your high taxes you have no Military, good thing for you Canada borders the US. :smile:

    Property tax is high. This way a person has a choice as to how much tax they pay. A big house on lottsa land = high tax. small house = low tax.

    We also pay local taxes for things like auto registration.

    Live free or Die!
  19. Oct 14, 2004 #18
    I rather like that idea, are taxes on luxury items like cars equally high as you get more and more expensive cars?
  20. Oct 14, 2004 #19


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    Woohooo...I'm gonna move to Montreal !! :tongue2:
  21. Oct 14, 2004 #20
    Most of Canadians still life in igloos.
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