# More on climate

1. May 13, 2005

### wolram

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0505/0505245.pdf [Broken]

Title: A climatic thermostat making Earth habitable
Authors: Peter D. Ditlevsen
Comments: 4 figures, Proceedings, NORDITA conf. Astrobiology 2004

The mean surface temperature on Earth and other planets with atmospheres is determined by the radiative balance between the non-reflected incoming solar radiation and the outgoing long-wave black-body radiation from the atmosphere. The surface temperature is higher than the black-body temperature due to the greenhouse warming. Balancing the ice-albedo cooling and the greenhouse warming gives rise to two stable climate states. A cold climate state with a completelyice-covered planet, called Snowball Earth, and a warm state similar to our present climate where greenhouse warming prevents the total glacition. The warm state has dominated Earth in most of its geological history despite a 30 % fainter young Sun. The warming could have been controlled by a greenhouse thermostat operating by temperature control of the weathering process depleting the atmosphere from $CO_2$. This temperature control has permitted life to evolve as early as the end of the heavy bombartment 4 billion years ago.

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2. May 13, 2005

### Andre

Yes those two states. Greenhouse - Ice house with a lot of positive feedback forcing the climate either cool or warm, nothing in between, a flip flop.

It's also projected on the Pleistocene and it's the root of the global warming myth. Here is an excellent overview how that myth was born:

http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-8/p30.html [Broken]

or is this off thread?

Anyway, when I had discovered this, some suggestions came that I may well had discovered the flawed roots of that global warming discovery sequence. So I decided to start the mega project. I'm in the process of reviewing all abstracts under sciencemag.org sciencedirect.com and AGU.org that contain the string "Younger Dryas" for datable warm-cold indications, glacier advances and retreats and of course arid-humid changes. 200 abstracts down, some 300 to go.

Extremely interesting result.

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3. May 13, 2005

### wolram

Hi andre.

I found the remark about a, 30% fainter sun quite remarkable.

You must love your work

4. May 13, 2005

### Andre

Well with CO2 up 20-33 times the current values there would be some compensation for the fainter sun. But the greenhouse ice house idea s highly disputable. It's just what you want to see. Tectonics push the continents all over the planet in rom 200 million years AFAIK. Everytime when a continent passes a pole, it produces an ice sheet. One of the mass extinctions in the past may be attributed to the supercontinent Pangea, passing the south pole at the end of the Permian and created massive ice sheets and the remains of those can be found back at the equator. But that doesn't mean that there was a snow ball world. But that had nothing to with those flip flop ideas..

Work? It's a hobby.

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