Hi Rocye. I should clarify I don't "study the cell". I'm not a cellular biologist by any means - in fact I wouldn't be able to tell you a whole lot about the cell, the knowledge has been replaced with speciality!Originally posted by Royce
This is a perfect example of Aristolean thinking vs Platonic thinking.
It is also a typical example of the ongoing discussions of objectivity vs subjectivity.
You study the cell and learn all about the cell and say you know alot about the way the brain works. You do not study the mind, youcannot studythe mind because you cann't find it in the cell. so you say the mind does not exist or is explained by the workings of a cell. Does anybody here recognize this type of thinking in relationship to the existence of subjectivity or God.
I do not in any way mean to be insulting or belittling. The work you and others are doing is great and adds greatly to our knowlege and understanding. We are greatful. Having said that I realize that your view is limit and must be to that which can be measured. This is the very definition of objective science. There is however more to the world and reality than objective science and the mind is one of them as well as the soul. You discount psychology for studying the very thing you cannot study or find.
When you find the mind the soul and human behavior in a neuron give me a call. Until then keep up the good work and thanks for the information.
We cannot know a mouse by studying mouse cells. We can know a lot about mouse cells and the physiology of a mouse but in the end we have a dead disected mouse body that we throw away. Where did that mouse, the essence of mousehood and the life of the mouse go? Where and when did we so carlessly throw those things away in our zeal to study the mouse cell so that we may know about mice. I am and will forever remain a staunch Platoist and anti-Aristotlean, the advances of Science be damned. Until we learn to study and see the forest and the trees at the same time without destroying one or the other we are still nothing but children playing with matches.
I study the brain from the level of neural functioning (yes it's a cell) all the way to full on behaviors such as feelings and solving methods.
The mind is not found in the cell you are right. The mind is the inverse of the totality of ones behavior and of the human experience. I did not mean the mind does not exist in a non-physical sense. I meant that what we refer to as the mind is a product of being unable to breach the physical neural system with this billions-of-years-complex experience as a human.
But the focus should be that this gap exists, it's not a misconnected attempt! And it's more understood all the time. I don't have a problem with people refering to the mind, because the task of being physical would take more text sometimes than could fit on a hosting service! But It is important for one to recognize that the mind is referenced because of an ease of communication, and not because it's a magical mystery.
Seeing the forest and the trees is only a matter of time. I'm not discounting psychology for approaching one over the other. In 2003 it makes no sense to address a condition of the mind (depression, post-trauamtic stress etc..) from a physical level completely. The goal is to treat the individual and not waste time connecting the two.
But it's merely important to know they can be connected. Identifying where something is, and identifying what something is are different. "The mind" and all "behaviors" are known in location without a doubt. For one to suggest some sort of soul as a non-physical thing is absurd because nothing relies on it, and nothing supports it.
That is why we have pscyhology. It comes from a need for a means, but without this massive level of understanding. It's a functional science which serves the public, but it's clear that physical neurology is creating specifics where psychology is general.