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My friend and MIT

  1. Jun 17, 2009 #1
    I have a friend who says he wants to become an engineer, and says the only way he will become a respected engineer is by going to MIT as an ungdergraduate. I told him he is f****ing ridiculous and shouldn't think like that.

    Tell me what to tell him to change his mind.
     
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  4. Jun 18, 2009 #3

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  5. Jun 18, 2009 #4

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    The only way you'll become a respected anything is to do well in your field.
     
  6. Jun 18, 2009 #5
    wow what a distorted vision. Only by working hard can one become respected in any field. The list is innumerable of respected scientist that did NOT go to MIT. In addition not all who go to MIT do become respectable in their field.
     
  7. Jun 18, 2009 #6
    thats EXACTLY what i said to him, he says i just dont strive as hard as he does. I want to be a scienctist, of course, but i dont think you have to go to MIT, or Caltech, or any really prestigious school to become respected.
     
  8. Jun 18, 2009 #7
    how is he able to asses that you don't strive as hard as he does? I would'int even bother arguing with a close minded person.
     
  9. Jun 18, 2009 #8

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    Heh, you should remind him that the people teaching at MIT are very rarely from MIT themselves. Most universities do not hire their own graduates (and some will not take their own undergraduates for graduate school) in an effort to provide greater academic diversity.
     
  10. Jun 18, 2009 #9

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    A good friend of mine went to MIT. He's not an engineer any more.

    Your friend obviously has no idea about statistics. Look at how many really cool things have been accomplished by engineers who haven't gone to MIT. I wonder how many MIT grads worked on the moon shots?
     
  11. Jun 18, 2009 #10
    Plus, your friend is basically saying that only American engineers are respected.

    I know non-Americans can go to to MIT, but the vast majority stay in their own countries.
     
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  12. Jun 18, 2009 #11
    In all likelihood, no matter if he goes to MIT, it will not miraculously change him into a good scientist.
    His opinion proves him to be a poor scientist already !
     
  13. Jun 18, 2009 #12
    I am assuming

    1) He is in high school (edit: needs emphasis)
    2) It is relatively hard to get into MIT so you need to do more work

    If he wants to go to MIT, he would do hard work which is good. And, his opinions will be refined as time passes by. You don't need to go and change his opinions.
     
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  14. Jun 18, 2009 #13
    Getting into a school like MIT is 2/3 luck. You need a 4.0 GPA and a lot of interesting qualities, good essays and good recommendations just to be in the running...but there are so many bright people applying these days, that just being motivated and intelligent is not enough. You also need luck.

    If your friend is so smart that he's already got published results in peer reviewed journals than maybe he doesn't need luck. But as long as he is just another ordinary student with good marks, good luck..
     
  15. Jun 18, 2009 #14
    Money can buy everything, "literately"

    wiki:

    If you throw this money on a regular state univ, then I suspect we would see same results. People are pretty much homogeneous in intelligence. There are of course small fringes of super geniuses, but it cannot account for thousands of students going to MIT every year.
     
  16. Jun 18, 2009 #15

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    Tell him not to despair if he doesn't get in.

    There's always Caltech.
     
  17. Jun 18, 2009 #16
    As for his friend works hard enough to earn (not necessarily achieves) "4.0 GPA and a lot of interesting qualities, good essays and good recommendations" rather than doing drugs-day dreaming, I guess he should be proud of his friend.
     
  18. Jun 18, 2009 #17

    cristo

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    Sorry, what did you say? I couldn't quite hear you! :biggrin:
     
  19. Jun 18, 2009 #18
    Well yes I do agree with the responses so far, you do need to work hard.

    However, there is some truth to what he is saying so far as employability goes:
    In the UK, just by studying in certain places gives you better chances than others. A place like Oxford University gives an almost 100% employability rate.
     
  20. Jun 18, 2009 #19
    You are correct, sir!

    I told him that, he said being in MIT gives him a better advantage over every other engineer that challenges him. Worst of all is his excuses for doing questionable things He appealed to get into honors chem after not passing the entrance and said if he didnt get into honors chem it would "make him not able to pass the chem portion of the SAT." Does such a thing exist? im sure it does, but how can not getting into honors chem make him unable to pass? Furthermore i already took normal chem and another good friend of mine took honors, when comparing the work we did, it was essentially the same stuff. He has a ridiculous mentality. He even said he is going to write a book to help him get in to MIT.

    I really want to punch him in th e face and say "MIT ISNT EVERYTHING." He is a really cool person, with a lot of cool ideas, but this obsession with MIT is getting out of hand.
     
  21. Jun 18, 2009 #20
    "He even said he is going to write a book to help him get in to MIT." Wow,actually this is a sad part of our educational system, people take courses, do activities only to impress universities. I would be curious to see if he gave up on life if he didint get into MIT, beacuse realsticly it is very difficult to get into even if your at the top.

    This sums it up perfectly
    "His opinion proves him to be a poor scientist already !"
     
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