Mystery Before The Big Bang Unfolded

In summary: I understand correctly, it is the particle that represents the first form of mass. It's existence would indicate that time and space were created at the moment of the big bang. Would you happen to know anything about this?It is interesting that the J/Psi particle has been proposed as the particle that represents the first form of mass. From what I understand, this particle would indicate that time and space were created at the moment of the big bang.
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You know guys, the planets is composed mainly of two types of rock material, Fe-material( siderolites) and the stony element (aerolites), these are heavy elements and available in the apace, which formed planets and stars within 1-2 billion years just because there were two Big Bangs, one exploded 15 billion years ago and final burst occurred 14 billion years ago.

These explosions carried different potencies, the first one had some material of light type and the second and final explosion produced the heavy material and this is the reason the aerolites and siderolites which are both light and heavy elements are very much available in the universe. These aspects disqualify the single BB theory and support the Two Big Bang Theory under TOPU. Ibid pp.185 Two Big Bangs Created The Universe in Eternal Space: Dr. Raj Baldev

The first generation of stars could be formed only between 1 and 2 billion years from the first and second explosions, which occurred 15 and 14 billion years ago with a margin of 50 million to 1 billion years. Ibid pp.184 Two Big Bangs Created The Universe in Eternal Space: Dr. Raj Baldev.

To know more in detail go through the book where all mysteries of the universe are unfolded in a very lucid style or simply log on www.twobigbangs.com.[/URL] Every debate is welcomed in the larger interest of scientific community.
 
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The standard theory on the origin of these heavy planetary materials is that they were produced in a supernova. There is a detailed model of this, which would seem to account for the local abundance of iron and other second and third row elements.
 
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the big bang was not an explostion.

the big bang was like a baloon filling with water...it expanded.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong. I've checked the website and I read the "flaws" as it claims of the original BB model. Doesn't most of them explained with the iflation model?
 
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Mystery Before the Big Bang

Member friends,
Read your comments. Quite interesting and intelligent too. One of you said it all happened by supernova stars. It is correct. The theory of Two Big Bangs, if you have read or happen to read, gives a clear indication that the 2nd Big Bang produced small Supernovae, which the author termed as mini supernova balls or MSB, in this reference your reply implies a straight support to the theory of Two Big Bangs unfolded by Dr. Raj Baldev, Indian Scientist. Coming to the last honourable member.
Last comments that inflating model containing all the flaws of the big bang. The author probably wanted to refresh the mind of the reader that the space is not produced by the big bang but it was then functioning being eternal yesterday, eternal today and eternal tomorrow and for ever. The biggest point is the eternal space in his genius theory that falsifies the theory of the big bang and if I am going correctly the new theory of Two Big Bangs may be assumed as the latest replacement of the big bang theory and its flaws that you have put under inflating model of the big bang strengthen the theory of Two Big Bangs.
I pray excuse if I am wrong. I also seek forgiveness from the author for replying from his side simply basing on my knowledge that I gathered from the book reading and the new ideas that I got from his inspiration.
In the last I should flash the originator of this title a credit for taking an initiative in this discipline.
 
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The big bang theory...there was nothing, that exploded.
 
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Thomas_R said:
The big bang theory...there was nothing, that exploded.


Maybe you would like to add what you think about https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=17301?

From this position, the ideas of the Ekroptic Universe arise and the ideas of brane Collisions. Do you know these of Steinhardt and Turok?
 
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:rolleyes: Hello all.
I've studied a lot on this "nothing" thing. It seems the most plausible way to start things out. However, I don't think there are any words to discribe a totally conceptual ideal of nothing.
"Nothing" is an unstable state. We observe laws of conservation so this system seems entirely out of balence to me. If any of you subscribe to the idea that quantum fluctuations are a possibility then all that should be required is a long enough wait. There may not be time by any measure we know because there is no mass, so the wait may seem only a short while. "Humans" require four dimentions to thrive. To create mass we need energy. We have energy within the system, and all funtioning systems seek their lowest state of energy, I.E.: all things must "run down." Or in this case "Power Up" when your starting with "nothing." With the first particles of mass we have three dimentions followed immediatly with the forth,"time."
I've read of the J/Psi particle. If I got this right, This theory involves two relitivisticly rotating particles. Both electrons; well, one a positron(an anti-electron) and the other an electron. If it proves out the the electron is not a point mass but simply a "charge" then it's virtual. This adds to the possibilitys. Two of these particles set rotating could reach astounding volocitys, increasing their energy mass along the way. their opposits, as their particle and anti-particle, so there would bu mutual attraction, yet their both electrons so they would seek opposing (repulsing) orbits. This leads to the thought that the pair could contain the "mass of the universe." Could the energy mass build up until it converted to physical mass.
I don't know,--- read you all later.
L8R---------------bettysfetish.
 
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The J/Psi particle is like the positronium you describe (made of an an electron and its antiparticle, the positron), but in J/Psi the two components are a charm quark and its antiquark. It is sometimes called charmonium, in a comparison with positronium.

In positronium the two component particles act under a completely attractive force - their electric charges, being opposite, attract.
 
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Either way this still doesn't really describe what happened before 'the' big bang. it just implies that another one occurred at some point in time. atleast with the multiverse theory they explain branes touching each other or what not as the cause of the bangs themselves.
 
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Thanks Selfadjoint, you've answered a question I've just posted to you elsewhere. I'll review the sections on charm and color and such soon.
MythioS, I've read of the "two" big bang theory but I've not found enough to convince me yet. It seems the lightest elements were formed as energys fell below predetermined temps and allowed eletrons to bond to nuclei providing meterial for first generatiion stars to form and as their ashs were spread throughout the universe they provided the necessary elements to form heavier elements like carbon and silicon in newer generation stars which spread their respective ashs throught more of the expanding universe and provided the materieal to form solar systems and such. I hope I got that right by theory.
This is, of course, just one theory. I subscribe to it until developments indicate otherwise.
The "Big Bang" term is only a description of the results of the inflationary epoch ending with the tunneling out of energys creating mass.
L8R---------bettysfetish.
 

1. What exactly happened before the Big Bang?

The concept of "before the Big Bang" is difficult to grasp, as time and space as we know it did not exist before the event. It is currently unknown what existed before the Big Bang, as our current understanding of physics and the universe breaks down at that point. Some theories suggest that the universe went through cycles of expansion and contraction, with each cycle beginning with a Big Bang.

2. Was there anything or anyone that caused the Big Bang?

The cause of the Big Bang is still a mystery and remains a topic of debate among scientists. Some theories suggest that the universe began as a singularity, a point of infinite density and temperature, and expanded rapidly from there. Other theories propose the existence of a multiverse, with our universe being just one of many.

3. Can we ever know what happened before the Big Bang?

It is currently impossible to know for sure what happened before the Big Bang, as our current understanding of physics breaks down at that point. However, scientists are constantly working on new theories and experiments to try and shed light on this mystery. As technology and our understanding of the universe continue to advance, we may one day have a better understanding of the events before the Big Bang.

4. Did time exist before the Big Bang?

According to our current understanding of the universe, time began with the Big Bang. This means that it is impossible for anything to have existed before the Big Bang as we know it. However, some theories suggest that time could have existed in a different way before the Big Bang, but it is impossible for us to know for sure.

5. What are some current theories about the events before the Big Bang?

One of the most popular theories is the inflation theory, which suggests that the universe underwent a rapid period of expansion just after the Big Bang. Another theory is the cyclic model, which proposes that the universe undergoes cycles of expansion and contraction. Some scientists also believe in the concept of a multiverse, where our universe is just one of many. However, these theories are still being studied and debated, and more research is needed to determine what truly happened before the Big Bang.

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