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Mystery blood clots felling U.S. troops: UPI

  1. Oct 8, 2003 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031006-113325-5591r
     
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  3. Oct 8, 2003 #2

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    As with David Bloom, the cause is the same for all the soldiers and is not a mystery. It also happens to people on long distance flights.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2003 #3
    Interesting. Has there been any response from the military that you know of Ivan? Russ?


    By the way, I've mostly been reading topics these days but I think I'm going to start posting again. Congradulations to both of you on your elevation to mentor.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2003 #4

    Ivan Seeking

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    I tend to agree with Russ; with the understanding the US gov lied about Agent Orange and Gulf I syndrome. Surely they wouldn't lie again.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2003 #5

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    [?] [?] [?] I'm a little young to remember Vietnam, but what exactly (if anything) did they say about Agent Orange then and how is it different from what we know now? And when exactly was "Gulf War Syndrome" shown to be real?
     
  7. Oct 10, 2003 #6

    Ivan Seeking

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    Here are a few insights on AO:

    http://www.appc1.va.gov/opa/fact/docs/agentorangefs.htm

    After a decade of denials the issue was finally investigated. By then, many of the worst victims of agent orange - our vetrans, the people whose illness demanded these studies - were dead. I remember when the only advocates for these victims were mostly considered a bunch of radicalized liberals; and the issue of AO was considered just more anti-American cr*p.

    It is never in the interest of those who wage war to admit to its true costs - a lesson that I chose to remember.


    As far as GWS:
    MEDICAL ISSUES RELATING TO SYMPTOMS AMONG GULF WAR VETERANS
    http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medical/storyboard/med_storyboard_18_dec_01.htm

    http://www.gulflink.osd.mil

    Also:

    TESTIMONY OF HOWARD B. URNOVITZ, PH.D.
    FEBRUARY 2, 2000 U.S.
    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM
    SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, VETERANS' AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
    Thanks to ABC news for covering this story
    http://www.chronicillnet.org/PGWS/HERV_TESTIMONY.html
     
  8. Oct 10, 2003 #7

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    "Presumptive" association of a variety of medical conditions with agent orange; there's no report of any survey of the other carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic compounds in the chemical cocktail that was SE Asia, and to which troops were routinely exposed in the line of duty. "Whyzat?"

    Tonnage-wise, the most likely candidates for veteran health problems resulting from service in SE Asia are the dyes used in smoke grenades and other pyrotechnic devices.
     
  9. Oct 10, 2003 #8

    Ivan Seeking

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    Clearly the soldiers were ignored in favor of scientific skepticism.
    right?

    I don't think you're in a position to take on all of the VA.
     
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  10. Oct 12, 2003 #9

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    Maybe I'm missing the point, but it should be self-evident that you shouldn't drink or inhale "Roundup." I've heard all sorts of crazy things argued about Agent Orange (like that its a chemical weapon) and they generally ignore that simple fact.

    And as far as the Gulf War Syndrome thing goes, war is unhealthy. That should also be self-evident.
     
  11. Oct 12, 2003 #10

    Ivan Seeking

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    We sent guys into the bush for weeks. We then dropped this stuff all over them.

    The point about GWS is to support our vetrans and not to deny benefits or serious investigation due to skepticism. The vets deserve better than that. With all the cr*p that these people are exposed to, the potential for uninteded bio-chemistry must certainly significant. Even if the effects are purely psychological, it should still be treated as an injury sustained in battle. We have a long history of leaving our vets for fend for themselves when we're done with them.
     
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