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National Debt. :surprised

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  1. Mar 27, 2006 #1
    National Debt.

    To get a general idea of the importance of the national debt to a small sample of citizens - from PF as well as veiws of some foreign members.

    Recently, the US gov't went bankrupt...for about a day I think. It was just before congress raised the ceiling on the national debt. This was addressed in these articles:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/12/MNG2S8NOI21.DTL

    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40F16FB3A550C758DDDAA0894DE404482

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...hive/2006/01/08/BUG7IGJHEI1.DTL&type=business

    there are more including comments from economists.

    heres a few more:

    http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Ldebtclock.htm

    http://www.sennholz.com/debt.html

    http://experts.about.com/q/Economics-2301/national-debt-burden-v.htm
     
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  3. Mar 27, 2006 #2

    russ_watters

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    I don't understand what you are asking. A mandate? Are you asking if people should care? Are you asking if they do care?
     
  4. Mar 27, 2006 #3
    Actually, I'm really asking both. I would like to know if international members see this as something they may need to be concerned about also.
     
  5. Mar 27, 2006 #4

    SOS2008

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    Amp, this is why I and others have lost interest in starting new threads, and participating in PF in general, and which I suspect is the goal anyway. So in an attempt to contribute something meaningful...

    This has been debated for some time, particularly since the HR 2015, Balanced Budget Act of 1997. There are many arguments pro and con. For example, here are some excerpts from Chris Dodd's site when this was being debated:

    http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3274&pr=press/Speeches/104_95/0123b.htm

    Of course that was before Dubya's tax cuts for the wealthy and the trillions we needlessly spend on the invasion and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. These are clear areas where spending can be cut, or where taxes should be raised.

    In any event, the argument that a mandate at the federal level will just shift the burden to the states and cities is legitimate. Also, for example, it is claimed that in times of a balanced budget, national security and infrastructure begins to deteriorate, and eventually the spending must be renewed. I haven't seen data to support that though.

    Also, I wonder if mandates even work, because as you say it seems Congress simply finds a way around it (such as raising the cap). Social Security is a good example too. The government "borrows" these funds, though it may be impossible to pay it back. So my questions is, how is an amendment enforced even if it is passed?
     
  6. Mar 27, 2006 #5

    Ivan Seeking

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    SOS, would you elaborate on this; perhaps by PM or in another thread. The staff, especially Moonbear, put a great deal of effort into making this forum fair, balanced, and respectable.
     
  7. Mar 27, 2006 #6
    No, the Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility, and are all about keeping the national debt low.
     
  8. Mar 27, 2006 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    Which is why, even ignoring the war, the current admin and congress are the biggest spenders in history.
     
  9. Mar 27, 2006 #8
    I was being facetious. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Mar 27, 2006 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    Oh; I haven't read enough of your posts to know that.
     
  11. Mar 28, 2006 #10
    Ivan, SOS (BTW-your mailbox is full, I've registered @ CTT)

    Ivan, I've read a few of Manchot's posts. He was being extremely facetious. BOT, thanks for replying SOS - sometimes I get suspicious these forums have been infiltrated :eek: :biggrin: :rofl: by elements of the current admins party, oops... I let the cat out of the bag. :rofl: Nah, but seriously, SOS your quote, shows me and hopefully us some of the shallow excuses congress uses to delay, procrastinate and or obfuscate what I believe is much needed legislation. I'm sure there could be bipartisan agreement on programs and/or entitlements that for the society could be classed as essential. There are also many, very many places where funding at the federal level is not that important or needed.

    http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Newscenter.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1150 visit site theres plenty.

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/BG1703.cfm

    http://porkbusters.org/listpork.php

    Couldn't help putting in a bashn' http://www.reason.com/links/links101905.shtml

    Not to sound to trite, I realize that quite a few congresspersons use pet spending projects to make it seem to their constituents they have their best interests at heart and not that they are really just pulling a fast one, psycho-propagandicly speaking; however, these are often the very ones building bridges to nowhere or having money allocated to build a childrens park in a wasteland.:grumpy:

    Before, the tax cuts the country appeared to be on the right track. Then, certain people saw a way to rob (thats the way it looks to me) Joe and Jane Citizen blind.o
     
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