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Need help with mechanics problem!

  1. Jul 27, 2011 #1
    I am pretty lost as to how to solve this problem :confused:

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A solid sphere of mass m (homogeneously distributed throughout) and radius r is attached to a spring of spring constant k whose other end is attached to a sturdy wall. (assume that the spring is attached at the sphere's center, but still allows it to roll)
    (a) Assuming that the sphere rolls without slipping. Find the position of
    the sphere’s center of mass x (as a function of time) using only rotational dynamics. At time zero, the ball is stationary at distance A away from its equilibrium position.
    (b) Find the force of friction as a function of position.
    (c) If P is the point on the sphere touching the ground at t=0, find the path of P in terms of t
    2. Relevant equations
    Newton's 2nd:
    F=ma
    torque=I(alpha)
    I=(2/5)mr^2
    F_s=force of spring=-kx (x=0 is equilibrium)
    F_k = friction = umg
    w=angular velocity
    when rolling without slipping, Rv=w, R(alpha)=a
    total force on ball = F_s + F_k

    3. The attempt at a solution
    I really have no idea as to how to solve this. I could set up a differential equation, but for newton's law, the direction of the frictional force F_k changes direction, and I don't know how to factor that in. I can do part (c) easily after that.
    Thanks in advance for the help!
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data



    2. Relevant equations



    3. The attempt at a solution
     
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  3. Jul 27, 2011 #2

    berkeman

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    Welcome to the PF.

    Perhaps it's best to start slow, and build up to the solution the way the problem asks for it.

    For a simpler situation, a non-rolling mass on a frictionless horizontal plane, how do you derive the SHM position as a function of time, x(t)?

    Then add in the ball rolling on a surface instead of a mass sliding on a frictionless surface. What-all changes? Where does the moment of inertia I for the ball come in? Can you derive an equation for x(t) using both translational and rotational dynamics?

    Then, can you see how you can incorporate the translational portion into a full rotational solution?
     
  4. Jul 27, 2011 #3
    Solving for it when non-rolling is super easy, you simply get x(t)=Acos(wt) with w=sqrt(k/m).
    I just have no idea as to how to factor in moment of inertia or friction.
    I have tried using the conditions for rolling without slipping, but that still doesn't help with incorporating I...Maybe I could express F_k as a function of theta (the angle the ball has rotated through), then x=r(theta),F_s=-kr(theta), which really doesn't help me...:frown:
    I am also not sure as to how friction plays a role. I understand how normal things roll without friction, and can solve for it, but I am lost as to how to do it when the object is an oscillating ball.
     
  5. Jul 27, 2011 #4

    berkeman

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    But how do you derive the frictionless case from the original differential equations? Can you write those out?

    The friction just comes in for the ball to provide the torque to generate the angular acceleration that is associated with the final linear acceleration that you integrate to get your x(t)...
     
  6. Jul 27, 2011 #5
    well the diffE for the simple case is:
    x''=(-k/m)x
    question: Is friction constant, because F_k=umg right? Why are they asking me to solve for F_k per time? Thats confusing, but back to the first part:
    I could write Sum(F)=ma=F_k+F_s, so
    a=x''=F_k/m+F_s/m=ug-kx/m
    Is this the right equation? I really doubt it. It has nothing to do with rolling...
    I really am missing something ugh
    Thanks for the help so far though :DDDD
     
  7. Jul 27, 2011 #6
    well torque is rF_k=I(alpha), and ar=alpha, so
    alpha=rF_k/I=ar
    a=F_k/I and because of newton's second law,
    a=(F_k-F_s)/m
    so solving for F_k we get
    mF_k-IF_k=-F_s
    F_k=-F_s/(m-I)
    is this valid?
     
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