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Nerd sniping

  1. Dec 26, 2007 #1

    D H

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    From xkcd.com :

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  3. Dec 26, 2007 #2

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    Is it 0.916333... ohms?

    Damn, I missed dinner! :mad:
     
  4. Dec 27, 2007 #3

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    How did you get that? I think that to solve such problems (where a simple superposition doesn't give you the answer), a discrete fourier transform is required, and then the final integral which gives the resistance looks very tricky.
     
  5. Dec 27, 2007 #4
    D H: 4 points (or is it 2 and 1, for the engineer? :tongue:)
     
  6. Dec 27, 2007 #5

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    At least three points, since I made Gokul miss dinner.

    This arXiv article (see appendix A) gives an absolute mess. Mathworld (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2004-10-13/google, question 10) uses a different expression and that enables Mathematica to yield [itex](8-\pi)/(2\pi)\approx0.773[/itex] ohms.
     
  7. Dec 27, 2007 #6

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    The article uses the same principle of taking the fourier transform and applying ohm's law. The integral one gets after the fourier transform is (eqn 25 in the article)

    [tex] \frac{1}{4 \pi^2} \int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \left( \frac{1-\cos(2x+y)}{2-\cos{x} - \cos{y}} \right) dx dy [/tex].

    I'm at home and don't have access to an integrator. Does anyone have access to a math package that evaluates this integral, or a way to find the value? Does it come out as [itex](8-\pi)/(2\pi)\approx0.773[/itex]?

    Mathworld seems to have used some substitution in its expression.

    EDIT: Nevermind. They've apparently used a contour integral and then a substitution. It's there in appendix A, which I missed the first time.
     
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  8. Dec 27, 2007 #7

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    The difference between a normal person and a scientist:

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  9. Dec 27, 2007 #8

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    :rofl:
     
  10. Dec 27, 2007 #9
    That's actually a normal person and Homer Simpson => Homer = Scientist?? :surprised
     
  11. Dec 27, 2007 #10

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    I actually did use a superposition - I don't know why it fails! =(

    I haven't yet looked at the article posted by D H.
     
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  12. Dec 27, 2007 #11
    It's funny how this thread turned into a discussion about the problem in the comic strip rather than the humour about it.
     
  13. Dec 27, 2007 #12

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    It just proves the first sketch of the comic strip. Nerd sniping in action.
     
  14. Dec 28, 2007 #13

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    A friend of mine finished school some years ago with a BS in physics and immediately chucked it all to become a lawyer. After seeing this Nerd Sniping XKCD strip I sent it to him on a workday to see if he was truly a lawyer or if he would be sniped, along with with full disclosure of my intentions. Couple days later I checked back, sure enough, four billable hours went down the drain. :devil: Good thing he wasn't standing in the road.

    BTW, engineer's solution: assume the infinite grid looks like a short to any one node except for the four resistors directly attached into the node. The parallel resistance into the node then is 1/4 ohm and therefore the resistance between any two, non-adjacent nodes is 1/2 ohm. With actual (cheap) 20% resistors thats close enough to the actual (.7xx is it?)
     
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  15. Dec 28, 2007 #14

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    The resistance betweeb any two horizontally or vertically adjacent nodes is exactly 1/2 ohms. The resistance between nodes further apart than that is not. That 20% fudge on top of 0.5 ohms yields 0.6 ohms, not 0.773 ohms. Its even worse for nodes further apart than that.

    Why don't you try working out the answer for nodes separated by two diagonal hops?:devil:
     
  16. Dec 28, 2007 #15

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    Yes, ok, :redface: I'll have to make clear I'm using really cheap resistors when I go for the Google interview. :wink:

    Think I'll code up a quick sim for fun.
     
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