Solving a Car Coasting Downhill Problem: Average Retarding Force

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a car starting from rest and coasting down a grade with a final speed of 20 m/s after traveling 800 m and descending 35 m. The question asks for the average retarding force encountered by the car and possible methods of solving the problem. One method suggested is using energy balance, while another involves considering forces along the ramp and using the final velocity and ramp length to find acceleration. The conversation also mentions the possibility of solving the problem without using kinetic energy.
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A 1200 kg car start from rest and coast down a uniform grade, at the bottom of which ti has a speed of 20 m/s. If the car has traveled 800 m along the grade and has descended 35 m, what is the average retarding force(friction) encountered by the car? How would I solve this problem? I know Fx = ma = Ff - mgsintheta Fy = 0 = N - mgcostheta Ff = muN I don't have mu though. Thanks
 
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I would consider energy balance.

What is the kinetic energy at the bottom?
What would be the kinetic energy in the absence of friction?
What happened to the difference?
 
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Is there any other way to solve this problem beside KE? I haven't learn that yet. Thanks
 
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TeeNaa said:
Is there any other way to solve this problem beside KE? I haven't learn that yet. Thanks

Sum of forces along the ramp = ma
One force is gravity.
Second force is friction.
(Third force is force pushing up against the car. Why is this irrelevant?)

Get a from ramp length s and final velocity v.
Hint: dv/ds = dv/dt dt/ds = a/v.
 
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To solve this problem, we can use the equations of motion and the concept of work and energy. First, we need to find the initial potential energy and final kinetic energy of the car.

Initial potential energy = mgh = (1200 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(35 m) = 411600 J
Final kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)(1200 kg)(20 m/s)^2 = 240000 J

The difference between the initial and final energy is the work done by the retarding force (friction) on the car. Therefore, we can calculate the average retarding force using the equation:

Work done = F(avg) * distance traveled

F(avg) = Work done / distance traveled = (240000 J - 411600 J) / 800 m = -213 N

Since the retarding force is acting against the direction of motion, it is negative in sign. This value represents the average retarding force (friction) encountered by the car while coasting downhill.

To find the coefficient of friction (μ), we can use the equation:

Ff = μN = μmgcosθ

Substituting the known values, we get:

-213 N = μ(1200 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)cosθ

Since we do not have the value of μ, we cannot solve for it unless we know the angle of the grade (θ). If the grade is known, we can use the given information to find the value of μ.

In summary, to solve this problem, we used the equations of motion and the concept of work and energy to find the average retarding force encountered by the car while coasting downhill. The value of the coefficient of friction (μ) can be found if the angle of the grade is known.
 

1. What is a "car coasting downhill" problem?

A car coasting downhill problem refers to a situation where a car is moving downhill without any external acceleration or braking applied, and the goal is to determine the average retarding force acting on the car as it decelerates.

2. Why is solving a car coasting downhill problem important?

Solving a car coasting downhill problem is important because it allows us to understand the forces acting on a car as it moves downhill, which can have practical applications in areas such as engineering and transportation.

3. How is the average retarding force calculated in a car coasting downhill problem?

The average retarding force is calculated by dividing the change in the car's momentum by the time it takes to coast downhill. This can be represented mathematically as F = Δp/Δt, where F is the average retarding force, Δp is the change in momentum, and Δt is the time taken to coast downhill.

4. What factors can affect the average retarding force in a car coasting downhill problem?

The average retarding force can be affected by various factors such as the slope of the hill, the mass and velocity of the car, air resistance, and rolling resistance of the tires.

5. Can the average retarding force be negative in a car coasting downhill problem?

Yes, the average retarding force can be negative if the car is accelerating downhill due to factors such as a strong tailwind or a decline in the slope of the hill. This means that the net force acting on the car is in the direction of motion, causing it to speed up instead of slowing down.

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