# Homework Help: Neutral Geometry

1. Apr 17, 2006

### Cantor

I have a question involving the measure of segments

If m is a point inside a triangle ABC how could we prove that segment BM+CM < AB+AC. I am trying to use the Triangle Inequality Theorem (If A, B, C are three non-collinear points then AC < AB+BC) but I am stuck.

Should I prove by contradiction or show that BM < AB and CM <AC

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

2. Apr 17, 2006

### Hurkyl

Staff Emeritus
My first instinct is to draw some more lines. (e.g. maybe draw in the segment AM, or extend BM and CM to intersect the opposite sides of the triangle)

This would give me more inequalities to play with, and maybe I could derive something from there.

P.S. BM doesn't have to be less than AB. A counterexample isn't hard to find -- just draw AB and BM so that BM > AM, and then try and draw in the rest of the diagram.

3. Apr 17, 2006

### 0rthodontist

Just make sure that whatever inequalities you end up working with, knowing they are true ensures that m is inside ABC.

4. Apr 18, 2006

### CarlB

Try thinking of points B and C as foci of an ellipse with A on the boundary.

Carl

5. Apr 18, 2006

### Cantor

I have tried all the possible inequalities but still nothing, the problem i am having is M could be anywhere so AB could be bigger or small them BM depending. Any other ideas by any chance.

Thanks

Cantor

6. Apr 18, 2006

### Hurkyl

Staff Emeritus
Based on the title of the post, I think he's at a level where he's not allowed to simply assume that one ellipse lies inside the other, and he's not in a class where it's fair game to assume the Jordan curve theorem.

And the thought of studying conic sections in a (possibly) non-Euclidean setting makes me shudder! :yuck:

Anyways, back to the original question -- I think looking at degenerate cases might help. They're often easier. What if M lies at one of the vertices? Or on one of the sides?

And, obviously, the theorem isn't true if M lies outside the triangle, so you have to use some fact that only works when M is inside.

(And, there's still the chance that inspired... or brute force... manipulation of the inequalities will provide the answer)

Last edited: Apr 18, 2006