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News New 3-Partitions Plan for Iraq, Limited role for UN

  1. May 3, 2003 #1
    Germany and France lukewarmly accepted the USA's new plan for the future of Iraq:

    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=131051&BCCode=BNFRONTPG&newsdate=5/3/2003 [Broken]
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  3. May 3, 2003 #2
    Hmmm...teh Bush cabal's vindictiveness and idea that only America matters...more of teh standard right-wing radical imperialism.
  4. May 3, 2003 #3


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    Yeah, that bastard. Who does he think he is trying to solve problems in other countries? He should be content to do what great countries like Germany and France do - ignore problems in other countries while profiting from them. And if he does want to solve problems, he should be humble enough to give other people all the credit for it.
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  5. May 3, 2003 #4
    Well, that IS what America does, ignore human rights violations unless there is some gain in it. And, who cares who gets 'credit'?!? WHat kind of childish attitude would it be to put 'taking credit' over any other concern?
  6. May 3, 2003 #5
    so what did we gain from taking out saddams regime? a huge bill.
  7. May 3, 2003 #6
    Oh, and all that oil...let's not forget it.
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    Lol, maybe you shouldn't count your oil until it gushes.
  9. May 3, 2003 #8
    And by that you mean..what, exactly?
  10. May 3, 2003 #9
    Well, we gained some security for the value of the dollar. The country with the second largest known oil reserves in the world is now going to be very friendly to us, instead of cutting off our supply. The American people got a phony sense of security to comfort them.

    Big companies got big contracts. Little bush got big popularity.
  11. May 3, 2003 #10
    what oil did we get? you think the UN is going to let us take the oil? we're still going to be paying market price for the oil, it would have been a MUCH better move (economics wise) if we just lifted the embargo we put on iraq. i wont deny that this war was just a blatant political move, but it still was the right thing to do.
  12. May 3, 2003 #11
    The right thing for the wrong reasons is still wrong..and tends to lead to further wrongs down the road.

    As far as the oil...there is money to be made, and American companies are going to make it. WE(as in America) aren't going to take the oil...but American companies are going to exploit the hell out of it, to teh detriment of the Iraqi people.
  13. May 3, 2003 #12
    that's politics... however, doing nothing is even worse then doing something for the wrong reasons.

    and the iraqi people are already some of the poorest people in the world, what can they lose? under the regime the oil-for-food program wasn't even working, the regime pocketed most of the money. the people can only gain from this war, how much they gain will be seen in the future.

    also the money given to companies for the reconstruction of iraq is miniscule when compared with the cost of the war. you can gripe all you want about this and that, but if we were just worried about oil we would have lifted the embargo and made saddam a very happy camper.
  14. May 3, 2003 #13
    Ummm...what does one have to do with the other? The cost of teh war goes to taxpayers, the profits on oil go to private (and likely tax dodging) companies.
  15. May 3, 2003 #14
    well i thought you were speaking of the contracts given to clean up Iraq, sorry. but still, companies would benefit from having a limited suplly of oil. the demand for oil is going to stay relatively the same, but the supply is going to rise, companies lose money.
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    Just one small point, and please, anyone-everyone ;) correct me if I am wrong..but isn't the money given to companies for reconstruction coming from usaid, or in other words American taxpayers?

    Zero- 'scuse my warped sense of humor, I only meant..as in don't count your chickens til they hatch..there's little oil gushing at the moment, and until Iraq is peaceful and the oil is really gushing and secure, I personally, won't count it as a done deal.
  17. May 3, 2003 #16
    where else would it come from ?
  18. May 4, 2003 #17
    What it is, is this...

    US companies will have their starting costs offset by American tax money. Once they are up and running, they'll be pulling a huge profit, without having to worry about the initial start-up costs. It is win-win for those companies.
  19. May 4, 2003 #18
    "Well, we gained some security for the value of the dollar. The country with the second largest known oil reserves in the world is now going to be very friendly to us, instead of cutting off our supply. "

    Yes very friendly. They will be friendly or they will be DEAD!!! Violent protest is a sign that democracy is working, especially if the protesters die. Hey, every time we kill an Iraqi civilian, its like we win all over again. Yay!
  20. May 4, 2003 #19
    Did you know that every time an US or Israeli soldier 'brings permanent peace' to an Arab civilian, an angel gets its wings?
  21. May 4, 2003 #20
    Umm, Zero, most of those companies who are getting taxpayer cash for reconstruction are *not* oil companies -- once they've built their stuff, it's built. I suppose Iraqis could offer them contracts later, but it's really hard to make the 'they're stealing from the Iraqi people' argument here. Do you really think TotaFinElf would be giving them a much better deal?
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