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New motor

  1. Dec 11, 2004 #1
    At the risk of being in the wrong thread, here goes:

    I've been haunting the (limited, for me) avail. literature and physics forums looking for the answer to a question relevant to some posts here re: eg "I've performed thousands of experiments involving homopolar, unipolar, and acyclic generator and motor topologies. They all are real and work (eg. they produce EMF or MMF predictably.)" I know enough magnetics (engineer level) to calc with field strengths, current levels using given formulae in known problems, but can't find a formula for this problem. Physics is not beyond an introductory honours course at UofT in '68.

    The reason I'm looking is related to a current US patent application of mine at http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...=DN/20040212259 [Broken]

    or goto http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html and type in application number 20040212259

    It covers three new configurations of synchronous electric motors, the second of which exploits the above configuration to excite the rotor pole pieces. eg see {images}, {drawings}, {Fig 5}. (OR i've posted the image at my website at http://www.ecologen.com/images/Wheelmotor_fig5.jpg). The exciter magnet is the stationary drum at the centre 14 with ring extensions 16 up each side of the stator to connect magnetically with the rotating pole pieces 6.

    My question is: Presuming eddy currents are defeated, how much power will be lost in transfering the magnetic field from the fixed exciter to the rotating pole pieces? Seems a fair bit of work has been done investigating/proving that rotating a cylindrical magnet doesn't rotate the field, but that's not really relevant here. I think that the energy expended at the gap between the fixed exciter and the pole pieces to move the pole pieces 6 relative to the exciter won't be anywhere near as large as that spent at the gap between the pole pieces and the stator. How do I calculate that (fairly) exactly?

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  3. Dec 22, 2004 #2

    Andrew Mason

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    I infer from the lack of responses to your question, that no one is able to understand the question. I couldn't access the USPTO drawings for some reason but I was able to look at the patent and the drawing on your website. It would be helpful if you could post the descriptions as well (ie. of what the numbers point to).

    Essentially it appears to be is a dc induction motor with no commutator/brushes. Does the central fixed part (ie fixed to the axle) - the exciter - contain induction coil magnets or permanent magnets? I assume they would be induction coils but I don't see them drawn there. Does your question relate to the power transferred to the fixed excitor windings (by induction) compared to the available power in the stator windings?

    If so, it would be just an application of Faraday's law. You would have to figure out the flux that passes through the area enclosed by the excitor windings. I don't think there is any way to calculate this in principle because it depends on the design of the stator and excitor magnets. The key would be to make the excitor windings cover a large area but little depth, and have the stator windings cover a small area with significant depth and as close to the excitor windings as possible so the excitor windings intersect as much of the stator flux as possible. You would then run it and see how the induced current in the excitor compares to the current in the rotating windings.

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