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Newton vs einstein

  1. May 11, 2005 #1
    Hi, I need some help on a paper I'm writing about Newton versus Einstein. Basically I have to prove that Newton is the greatest physics person alive. I researched a lot online and found that Einstein basically copied Newton's findings and added the fourth dimension to make it look it was his finding. Does anyone else have other information supported by links if possible? Plz help. thx.
     
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  3. May 11, 2005 #2

    StatusX

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    I'll tell you this much: that's ridiculous, find a new topic.
     
  4. May 11, 2005 #3
    That is really far off from what really happened, though I wouldn't find a new topic unless that was really your point of view on it.
     
  5. May 11, 2005 #4

    arildno

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    If you absolutely want to prove that Newton was better at something than Einstein, then you should rather try to prove that Newton was a better MATHEMATICIAN than Einstein.

    I would, however, urge you to follow StatusX's recommendation.
     
  6. May 11, 2005 #5
    Kasemodz:

    I would have to *very strongly* disagree with your findings. My understanding is thus: From the time Newton published his theories, Newton was considered almost a god-like figure. His rules seemed to govern the mechanics in the Universe.

    In the 19th and early 20th centuries, newer, more sensitive measurements began to give results that disagreed with Newtonian mechanics. This presented quite a quandry, so the question became, why do Newton's theories work most of the time, but not in a few special cases?

    This is where Albert Einstein stepped in. Rather than adding to Newton's theories, he came up with a whole new way of looking at things. General Relativity isn't an add-on to Newton's theory of gravity, it looks at it from a completely different perspective. The beauty of General Relativity is that, while it's more accurate than Newtonian theory, in most cases (such as here on Earth) the differences are so small that Newtonian physics still gives accurate results. In short, I don't find it fair (in any way) to say that Einstein copied Newton.

    I should also add that a comparison of 'who's the better scientist' will eventually come down to subjective criteria (basically who you like best.) Newton's principles dominated the world in the 18th and 19th centuries and Einstein's have dominated much of the 20th centuries. Both were great scientists.
     
  7. May 11, 2005 #6

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    Of course,but Einstein still a whole lot more math than Newton. :tongue2:

    There's no point in drawing comparisons.The French have a proverb:"Comparaison n'est pas raison".

    Daniel.
     
  8. May 11, 2005 #7

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    Aah, nice "guess the lacking verb"-problem, Daniel!
    Here's my guess:
    "Of course,but Einstein still DETESTED a whole lot more math than Newton"

    Was I close?
     
  9. May 11, 2005 #8

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    Yep.A few light years away...Still possible to travel in time in Newton's theory.So,relatively speaking,you were close..:tongue2:

    Daniel.

    P.S.I'm not concentrating enough...
     
  10. May 12, 2005 #9
    u guys rn't helping with me my paper. I need to support Newton.
     
  11. May 12, 2005 #10
    You might want to change your paper topic to a comparison between the two, not as who is better, but who did what.

    Credit newton for his work in calculus, and his contributions to classical mechanics. He practically laid a solid foundation for classical mechanics.

    Credit einstein for his work in relativity and QM, his contributions to such fields practically laid a solid foundation for quantum mechanics.

    (correct me if I'm wrong)
     
  12. May 12, 2005 #11

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    Well you don't seem to be listening or getting it. As StatusX said, the topic is absurd, and your "interpretation" of what Einstein did based on browsing a few webpages is false. Both Newton and Einstein were legitimate physicists. Both were geniuses. And each made theoretical discoveries that revolutionized physics. Furthermore, each advanced physics as far as he possibly could given the experimental data and theoretical knowledge that was available to him in his day. So if you want to compare each on the basis of the *current* validity of the physical theories put forth by each, the comparison is not really valid. It's not fair to judge their achievements based on that alone, because the two men were separated by, what, 300 years of knowledge? Apples and oranges, my friend. Newton and Einstein were not contemporaries. Besides, special relativity shows that the laws of Newtonian mechanics must be modified, not totally scrapped. That's how scientific knowledge progresses.

    As someone pointed out, you might be able to compare the two on the basis of their mathematical prowess, arguing that, given how innovative and productive Newton was, developing calculus singlehandedly in order to further his physical inquiry, coming up with the laws of motion, the theory of gravitation, his insights into colour and optics etc, what might he have been able to do if he had lived in Einstein's time? But that's speculative and hypothetical. Einstein was innovative and brilliantly productive too, especially in 1905 when he came out with three separate papers. Why do you think we're celebrating the 100th anniversary of his "miracle year" as we speak? I'd still recommend choosing a different (read: less silly and more factual) topic.

    Edit: Whozum came out with a good suggestion while I was writing this: instead of this "who was a better physicist?" nonsense, just give a factual account of each man's discoveries and how they changed our understanding of the physical world.
     
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  13. May 13, 2005 #12
    As many have mentioned, there is no way you even could "prove" that either one was better/smarter/greater/etc....

    You won't find any good arguments as to why one or the other is better, they are very different and both made invaluable contributions to physics.
     
  14. May 13, 2005 #13
    And if you reason for writing this paper is becuase your professor assigned it (and assigned the exact topc of "proving" that Netwon was greater), then you need to have a serious talk with your professor becuase that is a complete garbage assignment (if that is the case, then your teacher probably, for some reason, just loves Netwon and hates Einstein and is trying to make others feel the same way, which would make him/her rank among the lowest of professors)
     
  15. May 13, 2005 #14

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    If the case is you professor is a hard-core Newton fan, and quite the otherwise for Einstein, you should include a story about Newton's great charachter and kindness, as well has his achievements and theories. I don't remember the story well, but back at Newton's time there were these two physicists, regarded has best in their field, with cutting edge work. He discovered a new light and color theory, radically different than their work, the orthodox belief. He waited until they died, and then presented the theory. He didn't want people to laugh at them and them to feel bad, and stuff like that, apparently.

    Sir Isaac Newton was born, 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727 by the Julian calendar in use in England at the time, or 4 January 1643 – 31 March 1727 by the current international Gregorian calendar. He was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, philosopher, and alchemist. Newton was the first to promulgate a set of natural laws that could govern both terrestrial motion and celestial motion. Newton is also credited with providing mathematical substantiation for Kepler's laws of planetary motion. He would expand these laws by arguing that orbits (such as those of comets) were not only elliptic, but could also be hyperbolic and parabolic. Newton is also notable for argueing that light is composed of particles. Later physicists instead favored a wave explanation of light to account for diffraction. Today's quantum mechanics recognizes a "wave-particle duality," particles are actually waves and particles; however today's quanta of light, photons bear very little remblance to Newton's "corpuscles." He was the first to realise that the spectrum of colors observed when white light passed through a prism was inherent in the white light and not added by the prism as Roger Bacon had claimed in the 13th century.

    Newton also developed a law of cooling, describing the rate of cooling of objects when exposed to air; almost totally the binomial theorem; and the principles of angular and conservation of momentum. He studied the speed of sound in air, and made a theory of stellar origins.
     
  16. May 13, 2005 #15
    What the bleep do you know? (A reference to the unintentional comedy of this statement).
     
  17. May 13, 2005 #16
    Based on Newton's work and Einstein believed it was wrong when things' speed is approximately speed of light.
     
  18. May 13, 2005 #17

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    If this was for a science class and I was your teacher, then I would fail you just for picking that topic. It seems to show a complete misunderstanding of science and the scientific method. It was Newton himself that said:

    "If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants."

    No scientific breakthrough is the result of only one person and to compare individual scientists in that way is simply absurd. Try to think like a scientist and find something more objectively definable
     
  19. May 13, 2005 #18

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    It is actually easier to "prove" that Archimedes was the greatest physicist&mathematician who has ever lived, but that's just my view when I indulge myself in making silly and unjustifiable ranking lists.
     
  20. May 13, 2005 #19

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    That citation is usually made out to be a testament to Newton's humility, or at least, respect for those who had gone before him.

    Actually, it is a snide comment aimed at Hooke (who Newton detested); Hooke was dwarfish in stature..:wink:
     
  21. May 13, 2005 #20
    OK. I amend more speech.
    Newton has completed the area of motion below the speed of light.
    Einstein helped him changed the concept when it is near speed of light.
     
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