GR Relation Reduces to Newtonian: Limits Explained

In summary, the conversation discusses the equations for orbits around a central mass in the Schwarzschild metric in both general relativity and Newtonian physics. The equations for GR involve a differentiation with respect to proper time and include a term with E^2, while the equations for Newtonian physics involve a differentiation with respect to time and include an effective potential term. It is expected that the GR equation should reduce to the Newtonian equation in certain limits, but there are difficulties in deriving it. The proper limits to take in order to obtain the Newtonian equation are also discussed.
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In GR for orbits about a central mass in the Schwarzschild metric one can show that

[tex]\dot r^2 = \frac{E^2}{m^2 c^2} - (1-\frac{r_s}{r})(c^2 + \frac{p_\phi^2}{r^2}). [/tex]

where [itex]E=-p_t[/itex], [itex]r_s[/itex] is the Schwarzschild radius and 'dot' represent differentiation with respect to proper time. Similarly for the Newtonian case one gets

[tex] \frac{1}{2}m \dot r^2 = E - V_{eff}(r)[/tex]

with

[tex]V_{eff}(r) = \frac{p_\phi^2}{2mr^2} - \frac{GmM}{r}.[/tex]

This time with dot representing time differentiation. I would think that the relation for GR should reduce to the newtionan relation in some limit, but I'm having problems deriving it. Especially I'm concerned about the square (E^2) appearing in the above relation.

Does the GR relation reduce to the Newtonian (I would think it had to?) and what would be the proper limits to take to obtain it?
 
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Not the same E. The part of your first equation that's independent of r is (E2 - m2c4)/m2c2, and if you let E = mc2 + ε where ε is the Newtonian energy, and expand, you'll get the right Newtonian limit.
 

1. How does the General Relativity (GR) theory reduce to the Newtonian theory?

The General Relativity theory, proposed by Albert Einstein, is a more complete and accurate theory of gravitation compared to the Newtonian theory. However, in certain conditions, the GR theory can reduce to the Newtonian theory. This happens when the gravitational field is weak and the velocities of objects involved are much smaller than the speed of light.

2. What are the limits of the GR theory that cause it to reduce to the Newtonian theory?

The GR theory reduces to the Newtonian theory in the weak field limit, where the gravitational field is weak and the velocities involved are much smaller than the speed of light. This limit is also known as the non-relativistic limit.

3. Can the GR theory be applied to all situations or are there specific conditions where it reduces to the Newtonian theory?

The GR theory is a more comprehensive and accurate theory of gravitation compared to the Newtonian theory. However, in certain conditions where the gravitational field is weak and the velocities are much smaller than the speed of light, the GR theory can be simplified to the Newtonian theory.

4. How is the Newtonian theory of gravitation related to the GR theory?

The Newtonian theory of gravitation is a simplified version of the GR theory, which was proposed by Isaac Newton in the 17th century. The Newtonian theory is a special case of the GR theory, where the gravitational field is weak and velocities are much smaller than the speed of light.

5. Are there any practical applications of understanding the limits of the GR theory?

Understanding the limits of the GR theory is important in many practical applications, such as space exploration and navigation. In situations where the gravitational field is weak and velocities are small, it is more efficient and accurate to use the simplified Newtonian theory rather than the more complex GR theory.

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