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Nikodem Poplawski's theories

  1. Nov 9, 2012 #1


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    What do people think of Nikodem Poplawski's proposal that adding torsion to GR (in the form of ECSK gravity) leads to, among other things, black holes that "bounce", and an alternative to inflation for the flatness/oldness problem?

    Published in Physics Letters B, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.physletb.2010.09.056 [Broken] with a non-paywalled abstract at http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/1106.4859.pdf, I don't recall seeing it mentioned before on PF, a search finds some discussion but not in this group.
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    My first comment is on the discussion at the end of p.6, beginning of p.7:

    "A massive star, that is causally connected, collapses gravitationally to a black
    hole and an event horizon forms. Inside the horizon, spacetime is nonstationary and matter contracts to an extremely
    dense, but because of torsion, finite-density state."
    "After reaching its minimum size, the homogeneous and isotropic universe starts expanding. Such an expansion is not
    visible for observers outside the black hole, for whom the horizon’s formation and all subsequent processes occur after
    infinite time [22]. The new universe is thus a separate spacetime branch with its own timeline; it can last infinitely
    long and grow infinitely large if dark energy is present."

    Two things bother me. One is possibly purely linquistic. The invisibility of the proposed re-expansion is obvious. The clause "occurring after infinite time" is problematic for me, unless there is some major geometric difference from GR. In GR, one may easily define simultaneity slices that cross the horizon. My more physical concern to this model of a separate universe is that I don't see anything addressing further infall of matter. At least in GR, absolutely nothing prevents further infall across the horizon that would lead to a flow from the 'old universe' to the 'new unverse'. My initial scan shows nothing about this GR extension that would prohibit this, yet it is not addressed at all.

    There is possible connection between the linguistic imprecision and the failure to address this issue.

    [Edit: Putting the above more strongly, there is no discussion of the complete causal structure of the EH: the interior has no causal influence on the exterior; however the exterior has continuous causal influence on the interior. The interior sees the external history as running in parallel with the internal history.

    I note that this whole observation is related to a possibly speculative discussion in the last section of the paper. The rest of the paper, on cosmology (without trying to answer about 'before the big bang') is untouched by these arguments. ]
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