NK Attack on SK: International Community Response Needed

[mugaliens]

You are doing propaganda...

No. This is reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV-RliQupK0"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsrBBJTXnsU&playnext=1&list=PLB306BAACB1F0AA2E&index=4"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXuGfCqJr0"

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM".

...how we perceive NK leader (either saber or baby) doesn't change anything.

Perception itself may not change anything, but change in the right direction is impossible without a correct starting point, and that will never be found without a clear perception of what's really going on with North Korea, it's leader, Kim Jong Il: "An absolute dictator, head of a personality cult beyond any other in human history." The news is so tightly controlled, most people in N. Korea are completely unaware that man has walked on the Moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSrcLC6Zz54&feature=related", this time from the BBC.

Saying "no" is not the best solution. Opening NK to the world is what's being desired.

Politics being what they are, opening up is something N. Korea will have to do itself, probably via internal revolt, as neither the "dear leader" nor his son, recently promoted from Lt or Capt to 4* General certainly aren't going to relinquish control of their lavish lifestyle aka regime anytime soon, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of their countrymen die of starvation.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Perception itself may not change anything, but change in the right direction is impossible without a correct starting point, and that will never be found without a clear perception of what's really going on with North Korea, it's leader, Kim Jong Il: "An absolute dictator, head of a personality cult beyond any other in human history."

Surely not... Mao? Augustus Caesar? Hirohito?

 

[CAC1001]

Louis XIV too, holy heavens, what an ego he had!

China doesn't want to pressure NK much because if NK was to fall, China gets a huge flood of refugees and also South Korea likely takes control of the whole peninsula, and thus China gets a strong U.S. ally (with a U.S. military presence) right across their border. So their incentive is to preserve NK, plus they like it being a thorn in our side.

 

[mugaliens]

Bump with http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_koreas_clash" .

Apparently someone up North is realizing military drills are a normal part of any sovereign country's right to defend itself, and are not an acceptable excuse for "retaliation."

"This is the way countries are supposed to act," U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said. "The South Korean exercise was defensive in nature. The North Koreans were notified in advance. There was no basis for a belligerent response."​

Bingo, and the North's continued attempts to gain either access to, or concessions from the negotiating table by acts of aggression i.e. behaving like a bumbling band of baboons as in the sinking of ships and shelling of islands won't be tolerated among other nations, either.

 

[Newai]

I give them two months before they lob more bombs over the fence.

 

[WhoWee]

I give them two months before they lob more bombs over the fence.

Childish behavior of this sort can be predictable - this is Christmas week - expect something now.

 

[nismaratwork]

Childish behavior of this sort can be predictable - this is Christmas week - expect something now.

If they do, expect this to be the beginning of an active combat phase, if not outright war. The South has drawn a line with their threat of air raids, so if the North does as you suspect, it's going to spiral out of control VERY quickly.

Remember, a war on the Korean Peninsula probably looks like:

North may or may not use nuclear weapon on Seoul, or as a terror weapon in a less valuable region.

Our marines and the South DEFINITELY fight a delaying action, but it would likely be an inevitability that the North would initially overrun defenses. If the north doesn't blitz, they might as well shoot themselves in the head and get it over with.

I'm not saying what will or probably will happen, just how it would under certain circumstances.

 

[nismaratwork]

This could be good news, or bull****.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/20/blitzer-korean-tensions-eased-significantly/?hpt=T2

 

[WhoWee]

Unless Bill Richardson is there on Obama's orders - he is a moron - Blitzer as well.

I think the whole North Korea (and Iran) situation breaks down in this manner. First, Russia and China clearly enjoy the little sabre rattle dances both Iran and North Korea do to make the US look diminished. It appears both of them can be controlled.

At the same time, none of this is happening in a vacuum, I think Russia and China are watching the US political climate very closely since the 2010 elections. If the US voters march into the 2012 elections with a chant of enough (nonsense) is enough and it's time to restore the US to it's place in the world - the dances won't be as humorous.

Again, IMO, if Obama clearly draws a line in the sand and says enough is enough Russia and China will agree and pull some strings (guess he'll need to convince Russia and China he doesn't have any choice politically - they'll believe that).

However, if Obama chooses to play games with Richardson (or some actor or any other unofficial knucklehead) or not be clear (doesn't let Hillary do her job-she is capable) then expect the nonsense to increase.

Joe Biden predicted that Obama would be tested - this might be it.

 

[nismaratwork]

Unless Bill Richardson is there on Obama's orders - he is a moron - Blitzer as well.

I think the whole North Korea (and Iran) situation breaks down in this manner. First, Russia and China clearly enjoy the little sabre rattle dances both Iran and North Korea do to make the US look diminished. It appears both of them can be controlled.

At the same time, none of this is happening in a vacuum, I think Russia and China are watching the US political climate very closely since the 2010 elections. If the US voters march into the 2012 elections with a chant of enough (nonsense) is enough and it's time to restore the US to it's place in the world - the dances won't be as humorous.

Again, IMO, if Obama clearly draws a line in the sand and says enough is enough Russia and China will agree and pull some strings (guess he'll need to convince Russia and China he doesn't have any choice politically - they'll believe that).

However, if Obama chooses to play games with Richardson (or some actor or any other unofficial knucklehead) or not be clear (doesn't let Hillary do her job-she is capable) then expect the nonsense to increase.

Joe Biden predicted that Obama would be tested - this might be it.

You could be right, but I think you're about 15-25 years too early.