Clearing the Misconception on Light's Wave-Particle Duality

In summary: In this case we have not a wave-particle duality but only wave-pilot duality. This model is more simple than QM and give the same results. In this case the concept of duality is not fundamental.In summary, the conversation discusses the misconception of light as having a wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics. The speaker argues that there is only one consistent description of light in quantum mechanics and that the idea of duality arises from our pre-existing ideas of what a wave and a particle are. The speaker also mentions a paper by T. Marcella that supports this argument. The concept of duality is not fundamental in this model, as light can be described as either a wave or a particle depending on the experiment
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There appears to be a strong and continuing miconception about light/photons as far as this so-called "duality" is concerned. Let's get ONE thing straight here - Quantum mechanics does NOT have two separate descriptions of light for when it behaves as a "wave" and when it behaves as "particles". PERIOD! It has one, and only one, consistent description for light, and that's that.

Now, after reading that, would one still want to consider light as having a "wave-particle duality"?

From the way I see it, the continuing misconception here is due to the ambiguity of the quality used in the question. We apply our classical ideas of what "wave" is, and what a "particle" is. A particle, like a grain of sand, has a definite boundary in space, i.e. a grain of sand doesn't appear spread out that it's exact shape and boundary are vague. Thus, it has what we classically define as a particle. A wave, on the other hand, can spread out over space.

Now, a photon, as a particle, was NEVER defined this way! A photon description in QM is NOT defined as having an exact shape and boundary in space. It is defined as clumps of energy. So in energy coordinates, it has definite "points", but it has no definite "size" in real space! This isn't your classical particle.

Having said that, the most common explanation for the "wave-particle duality" is that light behaves as waves in experiments such as the double slit, and behaves as particles when we do things like the photoelectric effect. Now, the fact that it is EASIER to describe an observation using one type of description while describing another observation using another type of description does NOT mean that they can't be described using ONE consistent discription. Most people often do not realize that one CAN describe interference effects (a typical wave phenomena) using photons![1] In fact, such technique CLEARLY explain diffraction patterns, and how the uncertainty principle is clearly at work. We don't normally subject students to such things because it is MORE involved than using the simple wave description. But we should not fool ourselves into thinking that the photon picture cannot be used to arrive at the idential phenomena that once thought can ONLY be described using the wave picture.

Again, one needs to learn QM and realize that there are no separate description for this wave-particle duality illusion. It is only a duality based on our pre-existing prejudice that something must either be a wave, or a particle. This "duality" thing only appears to be a major "issue" in pop-sci books and articles. It is a non-issue in QM texts.

Zz.

[1] T. Marcella, Eur. J. Phys., v.23, p.615 (2002).

1. I always thought that the word duality in QM referes to unmeasured (wave-like)/ measured (particle-like). So am I wrong?
2. Is that Marcella paper freely available on the net or another source that covers its content?
 
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Duality means exactly that - the 'things' act like waves and particles in different experiments, double slit etc.

No idea on the Marcella
 
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I found the quote particularly well written... just to find out that it was Zapperz who wrote it :smile:

Couldn't agree more with what he said.
 
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Duality means exactly that - the 'things' act like waves and particles in different experiments, double slit etc.
But Nick Herbert describes in his "Quantum reality" the wave/ particle coexistence as unmeasured/ measured duality. Turning down the brightness until only spots are on the phosphor plate reveals particle-like reality if measurements take place. The distribution of the spots shows wave-like reality between the measurements.

So acording to Herbert there is no duality between experiments, only some experiments (double slit) reveal the crazy quantum behavior between measurements better than others (photoelectric).
 
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The duality is mean that quantum object is not a particle and is not a wave. What is it? May be it is some-thing another? May be suitable another model? As an alternative to wave-particle duality I can consider the model based on background of pilots-waves deBroigle-Boum. In this Pilot Model a local test particle we can measure as wave what's follow from WAVE-PILOTS BACKGROUND.
 
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1. What is light's wave-particle duality?

Light's wave-particle duality is the concept that light can exhibit properties of both a wave and a particle. This means that light can behave like a wave, with characteristics such as diffraction and interference, and also like a particle, with properties like energy and momentum.

2. How was light's wave-particle duality discovered?

The concept of light's wave-particle duality was first proposed by scientists in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, such as Thomas Young and Albert Einstein. Experiments, such as the double-slit experiment, showed that light could behave as both a wave and a particle, leading to the understanding of its dual nature.

3. What are some common misconceptions about light's wave-particle duality?

One common misconception is that light can only behave as a wave or a particle, when in reality it exhibits properties of both depending on the experiment. Another misconception is that light must be either a wave or a particle, when in fact it is a unique entity that cannot be fully described by classical concepts.

4. How does light's wave-particle duality impact our understanding of the physical world?

Light's wave-particle duality has greatly impacted our understanding of the physical world, especially in the field of quantum mechanics. It has led to the development of new theories and models to explain the behavior of light and other particles on a subatomic level.

5. What implications does light's wave-particle duality have for technology and practical applications?

The understanding of light's wave-particle duality has led to the development of many technologies, such as lasers and fiber optics, that rely on the dual nature of light. It has also allowed for advancements in fields like microscopy and telecommunications. Additionally, the study of light's behavior has opened up new possibilities for future technologies and applications.

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