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No limit to human stupidity

  1. Oct 24, 2006 #1

    Evo

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    Student crushed to death when 24 Ohio State students crowd onto dorm elevator.

    "The 2,500-pound weight capacity of the elevator was exceeded by as much as 1,100 pounds, said Doug Smith, a battalion chief for the Columbus Division of Fire."

    The human capacity for idiocy continues to astound me.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/24/elevator.death.ap/index.html
     
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  3. Oct 24, 2006 #2

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    That's why I never use elevators.
     
  4. Oct 24, 2006 #3

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    It is in cases like this one is almost tempted to say he deserved it.

    The worst case of similar stupidity I know of from Norway, is the following:

    On the west coast of Norway, there are frequently storms, and the spectacle of the raging sea is well worth a sight FROM A DISTANCE!!

    Now, a few years back, some urban idiots from Oslo got it in their beer-bedazzled heads to crawl out on a molo (pier) and hold tight in order to really feel the forces of nature around them. They washed up on the shore a week later.
     
  5. Oct 24, 2006 #4

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    He may have been innocent and simply walked on the elevator while 23 others crammed in!

    Yeah, he definitely deserved it. :rolleyes: That's a really low blow.

    Correction:

    I take back my comment. Yeah, that was freaking stupid. He was asking for it.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2006 #5

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    :uhh: I don't think you can simply "walk on" an elevator that already has 23 people in it. Not to mention the over limit warning buzzers that would have been going off. I blame everyone on the elevator, unless the first few weren't aware that a bunch of idiots were going to cram themselves in.
     
  7. Oct 24, 2006 #6

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    I really do hope that none of those students were into structural engineering..
     
  8. Oct 24, 2006 #7

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    I guess some people do not realize the density of water ~1000 kg/m3. That can do damage to a person who is only 50-80 kg. It's like getting hit by a car. :rolleyes:

    I occassionally catch some new program, particularly related to weather. I was watching a program about a flood. It showed emergency vehicles standing on a road watching a river overflowing the road. One could tell that the current was swift and water was deep. Some lady drove by the emergency people who began shouting for her to stop. She didn't. The truck was immediately swept off the road and started downstream. They did rescue her. :rolleyes:

    I too have been caught on an elevator that got overloaded by some idiots. In one case, the elevator actually slipped a few inches. In another case, where I was not on the elevator, it actually fell downward. One student was pulled out of the doorway before the elevator fell, otherwise he would have been bisected. After that, I pretty much took the stairs, which was good exercise anyway (running 10 floors as fast as possible - got to where I could bet a nonstop elevator :biggrin:).
     
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  9. Oct 24, 2006 #8

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    Knowing just how stupid people will act, wouldn't it be a good idea to size elevators and their lift mechanisms so that it is impossible to overload them by crowding people in? I know that sounds like nanny-overkill, but think of it - it an engineer designs an elevator car that could theoretically be packed with 24 average-sized persons, shouldn't the rating of the lift mechanism be high enough to handle that load? I'd hate to have been one of the first people on the elevator, only to get crammed to the back by idiots crowding in, wondering if the car was going to drop like a stone.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2006 #9

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    One option might be to have weight-sensitive triggers in the floor.
    If the elevator is overloaded, hatches open in the walls and bolts are shot out from a suitable number of hidden arbalests. That should teach the idiots.

    (Okay, I admit it: I DID play AD&D and RuneQuest at an earlier age..)
     
  11. Oct 24, 2006 #10

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    They did. The elevator was rated for maybe 8, they add a 200% safety factor - it could hold 16.

    But the specs don't account for vertical stacking...
     
  12. Oct 24, 2006 #11

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    Hmm. I know I responded to this thread. It must have gotten lost in the server shuffle.

    I also think that because people are stupid, engineers must make things idiot proof. It shouldn't be possible for an overloaded elevator to drop more than a few inches. It would be a relatively simple thing to attach a locking mechanism to the doors that slides through a hole in the rails when the doors open, preventing the elevators from moving with the doors open and allowing the elevator electronics the opportunity to decide if the elevator should be allowed to move.
     
  13. Oct 24, 2006 #12

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    It is hard for me to believe that elevators don't already have a fail-safe to prevent operation when overloaded. Really a no-brainer in my line of work.

    I certainly did a few bone-headed things in my late teens and early twenties, but I remember quite a few people who were much worse -usually drinking alcohol.
     
  14. Oct 24, 2006 #13

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    You did respond, I think that posts are going to two different servers. I posted about it in the mentor's forum, but my post isn't visible on this server. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. There are currently two PF's with a different number of members posting on each and their posts can't be seen by each other. :bugeye:

    I was on the phone with my friend and he was on PF and he wasn't online in my version. We could not see each other's posts, and we each saw different members online. I had to reboot twice to enter this dimension.
     
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    The article states that the idiots entered on the third floor and that's where he was crushed and the elevator stopped. He apparently fell between the elevator and the inside wall.

    Many times when a bunch of fat people try to get on an elevator and the "overweight" alarm goes off, the doors will keep opening and closing. Perhaps this is some mistake of design that needs to be addressed. Or maybe it's some fat person's butt preventing the door from closing.

    I think the elevator dropped a bit and the "safety" devices stopped it from falling, but because he tried to get off and fell between the wall, he got crushed. Had he not panicked and remained inside, he would have been all right.
     
  17. Oct 25, 2006 #16

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    Ah, when I heard about this earlier I thought that the elevator was operating. I would imagine that the emergency brake was engaging, but not in time.
     
  18. Oct 25, 2006 #17

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    Am I the only one drifting back and forth between 2 PF's?

    scorpa and George Jones are stuck in the other PF.

    SOMEONE ANSWER ME!!!
     
  19. Oct 25, 2006 #18

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    I know there was a Star Trek episode about this at one time...
     
  20. Oct 25, 2006 #19

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    Those are pretty gruesome.
     
  21. Oct 25, 2006 #20
    I thought I read somewhere that the elevator DID have some failsafe or something, but it failed (lol). Or at least it was supposed to not be able to move until the doors are closed, but something went wrong...
     
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