Logic is a great concept, having proven data support ideas. Can't there be a "logical logic"? Yes, because [our] "logic" is "logical" itself. 1=1. That's logical, because we say that 1 is existing, and then we say it equals one. Which is true, so its logical! Now what about nonlogical logic? Such as saying " 1 = 3". Before, I said "1=1". We call that logical because we have "1" as "1" in our minds....which is where I've come up with this. Can't we all be wrong, and have "1 thing" actually be "3 things"? It's nonlogical to our understanding of logic, but it is still logical because we can not prove that our language is correct. Err..right? Is there other examples of "nonlogical logic"? [Edit] Chaos? (just trying to spark some ideas) [Extra] 1=3. It's wrong by our mathematical system, but that doesn't mean its not logical, does it?