# Non-whites more successfull?

1. Jun 28, 2004

### shonagon53

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Non-white people are rapidly becoming the world's new leaders. Black people are adapting extremely well in this new globalized world. For example, it's fantastic to see how Nigerians, Congolese and black South Africans dominate the world's informal economy (estimated at around 20% of world GDP -- so we have one group of black people controlling an economy worth more than the entire U.S. GDP!!). White people prove to be far less flexible and dynamic, and have difficulties coping with the globalized environment which they have created themselves. Whiteys are easy to control; 20% of them take drugs, which the black man provides. Of course, white man calls this informal economy "illegal", "criminal" or what have you, but the fact is that IT WORKS, and the white man is the importer of many of those informal goods (cannabis, cocaine, opiads, heroin, XTC, etc...etc...). If white man weren't so depressed and psychotic, the trillion dollar drug industry wouldn't exist (but Nigerians would have found another way of coping).

All the while, we see white people trying to lash out, to re-colonize and counter this extreme success with all means available (they invent new ideas, e.g. the neocolonial notion of "human rights" which is used to control third world regimes, they install dictators, go to war if they see a man disobeying their colonialist orders, etc...). But to no avail. The success of non-whites is too overwhelming.

This example of Nigerians' economic success can be complemented with the biological success of non-white races. They're doing extremely well in maintaining a high birth ratio, while white societies are decaying and will collapse soon under their own weight. (Of course, disease and hunger and famine still occasionaly strike in "third world" countries, but no longer with devastating death ratio's as a consequence). A society like Japan is a zombie society. It won't be long before the US, Russia and Europe too, need to "import" non-whites to remain a viable society.

In short, it won't be long now before the white race will get a feeling of being a minority with the self-esteem of a minority, no longer that of a dominant race.

Moreover, the white man has disturbed well organized non-white societies (with his colonial experiments). The non-whites had to adapt and cope, and they're doing tremendously well, considering the extreme barbaric violence of the colonial enterprise. The non-whites learned to adapt and use the white man's weapons against himself (a sign of grandiose superiority). Pakistan has nukes. North Korea has nukes. Americans can no longer simply bomb these countries (like white man used to do when "the natives" disobeyed). In short, non-whites have adapted in such a way that they are now becoming so powerful that they no longer need the white man.

It won't be long before the white man will feel what it's like to be colonized, humiliated, exploited and destroyed.

History's a b!tch, and whitey will feel it.

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2. Jun 28, 2004

### Robert Zaleski

Is there a janitor in the house? One of our patient's has just experienced a cerebral bowel movement.

3. Jun 28, 2004

### BlackVision

Where the hell are you getting these stats from? Nigerians, Congolese, and South Africans are all poor.

It seems as though you're some black guy that has some grudge against the "white man" Thinking the white man is always trying to put you and your "people" down.

Drug use is higher among blacks. And how exactly do blacks provide drugs? Ecstasy comes from the Netherlands. Cocaine comes from Columbia. I do not often hear about mass shipments of drugs coming in from Africa.

Nigerians are extremely poor.

Nigeria: GDP per capita (PPP): $900 United States: GDP per capita (PPP):$36,300

Nigeria: GNI per capita (real): $300 United States: GNI per capita (real):$35,400

Africa is a continent that is as poor if not poorer than it was 50 years ago. GDP growth for much of the continent is stagnated.

Most of the 1st world countries are still white. The rest are asian. There isn't a single 1st world African country. There isn't a single 1st world Latin American country.

A high birth rate is considered a failure in producing a developed industrialized modern society. There is a specific reason why all the 1st world countries have low birth rates. Yes that includes non-white 1st world countries such as Japan and Singapore which also have extraordinarily low birth rates.

All the countries with nuclear weapons are either in Europe or in Asia. With of course the addition of the United States. So by non-whites are you simply referring to Asia? In which case the only country with a decent nuclear stock is China with over 200 nukes. India and Pakistan with 20 or 30 nukes against the United States with over 11,000 just will not cut it. Not to mention India and Pakistan do not have a single nuke that can launched at the US.

Are you the type of black person that goes and whines about how you can't get a job and can't do well in school because the white man is keeping you down?

So how do blacks do in America you ask? Well.

Median household income by ethnicity in the US:

Asians/Pacific Islander: $53,600 White (Non Hispanic):$46,300
Hispanic: $33,600 Black:$29,500

Source: US Census Bureau

2003 Average SAT Scores:

Ethnic Group:

Asian/Pacific Islander Math: 565 Verbal:499 Total: 1064
White (Non Hispanic): Math: 530 Verbal: 528 Total: 1058
American Indian: Math: 481 Verbal: 482 Total: 963
Mexican American: Math: 460 Verbal: 453 Total: 913
Black American: Math: 426 Verbal: 434 Total: 860

Source: College Board

Black/white gap in education statistics:
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/2001061.pdf

Are these also part of your signs of blacks becoming powerful?

Strange how your topic is called "Non-whites more successfull?" and absolutely nothing in your post had anything to do with the success of non-whites.

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4. Jun 28, 2004

### Janitor

Yeah okay, here I am.

When whites become a minority in the U.S., will it be politically correct for them to form a Congressional White Caucus?

5. Jun 28, 2004

### Tigers2B1

Nice ---

6. Jun 29, 2004

### shonagon53

Well Blackvision, do you honestly think that African governments have transparent accounts? Hilarious! But please keep believing that.

1. You know, the trillion dollar drug industry doesn't keep official records. The Nigerian government is not going to write "shipment of 25 tonnes of heroin to the U.S." under "fruit and vegetables exports".

You're probably not aware of the real purchasing power of many urban Africans, Asians and Latin Americans, created in the informal economy, which, as you have probably googled by now, is in the order of 20% of world GDP.

Black people are good when it comes to black market affairs. You keep things white, ok?

2. Comparatively speaking Africans consume more weed (a mild drug, which keeps them sharp), while American and European whites consume much more hard drugs.

3. If you know anything about drugs, you'll see that quasi the ENTIRE synthetic drug trade (amphetamines, XTC) produced in Belgium and the Netherlands, is in the hands of the Nigerian-Congolese Cartel. Moreover, virtually 60% all the heroin that comes from Burma and Afghanistan and which reaches the U.S. and Europe, passes via Nigeria. You really have to read up on this. I could go on about other commodities like coltan, diamonds, gold, uranium, etc...etc... So you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

4. I'm talking about non-whites in general, not about black Americans, who are a category on their own. (They live too close to whites, which makes them weak).

7. Jun 29, 2004

### BlackVision

Do you honestly believe the standard of living of Africans aren't severely below par? Excuse me that was an understatement. Do you honestly believe the standard of living of Africans aren't severely severely severely severely severely severely severely severely below par?

I would say the Italian, Chinese, Russian mafias have far more power than any African mafia.

The only non-white you mentioned in your post was black. Other than simply stating that North Korea and Pakistan has nukes.

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8. Jun 29, 2004

### shonagon53

Well, I'll change positions here and open up a new line of thinking.

What makes your western ideas about "the standard of living" universal? There's no such thing as universal standards of living. It's not because a few governments and a few universalistic ("neocolonialist") institutions say "well, this is how we're going to define standards of living", that this makes any sense. By American criteria, European standards of living are low, but by UN criteria, many many European countries rank higher than the US. So what will it be then?

Moreover, did you know that on the Hedonism Index (an ironic, but intellectually challenging research project) shows Nigerian people to be the happiest people on the planet? Guess who's most miserable? Indeed, Americans.

[White] Americans are unhappy, depressed, mildly psychotic people who have to resort to all kinds of standards, IQ tests, technocratic indexes and stats, in order to feel comfortable. Non-whites have developed social technologies which make them happy. You haven't.

Now get a clue, and try to kick that mediocre habit of yours of being a one-eyed racist because you have no genuine lust for life but only bitterness.

9. Jun 29, 2004

### BlackVision

Hmmm I see how it is. For every 10 questions and statements I input, you will only have the ability to give an answer to just 1. And quite poorly as well.

Tell me in which definition of "standard of living" would "starving to death" not be considered a low standard of living.

Intellectual people always have consistently been shown to have a higher rate of depression. You never heard the term "ignorance is bliss?" It's also probably the reason why Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Several times higher than that of America. The professions with the highest suicide rates are also physicians, dentists, scientists, lawyers, etc. Again the high end of the intelligence chain. Afterall, why would a mental retard have anything to be stressed and depressed about? They don't have a care in the world.

Are you talking about yourself and your constant ranting of "the white man"? If so, I agree.

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10. Jun 30, 2004

### shonagon53

You don't ask questions.

There's an extremely small minority of non-white people starving to death. You don't have to believe everything your racist pseudoscientific media tell you. But you're too weak to look beyond your own small world.

Prescientific fantasy.

Prescientific fantasy.

Prescientific fantasy.

Ordinary fascist fantasy.

11. Jun 30, 2004

### Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
Consistently? Hardly.

Some excerpts from: http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan01/suicide.html

"In addition, statistical conclusions are hampered by the fact that when the 30,000 annual U.S. suicides are divided into occupations, the numbers for many job categories are relatively small."

"For example, in 1997, NIOSH and other government agencies analyzed 1980-84 death certificates by all occupations and causes of death, and found statistically significant elevated rates of suicide for:

• White male physicians.

• Black male guards (including supervisors, crossing guards, police, protective service occupations, but not correctional institution occupations).

• White female painters, sculptors, craft-artists and artist printmakers."

"In the end, say some researchers, occupation may not be much of a factor in suicide. Psychologists have long documented that among the top predictors for suicide are diagnosable mental disorder, co-morbid substance use, loss of social support and availability and access to a firearm."

12. Jun 30, 2004

### shonagon53

Thank you Moonbear.

13. Jun 30, 2004

### BlackVision

How does this refute anything I have stated? Intellectual people are more prone to be suicidal. It isn't the only factor, or even the sole factor, but it is still indeed a factor. You will also note that college students have a higher probability to commit suicide than those that do not go to college. Also all the high IQ professions such as physicians, dentists, lawyers, scientists, ALL have above average suicide rates. So how do you explain this?

14. Jun 30, 2004

### BlackVision

Ah so Africans are not starving to death you say? I guess they do not need the billions of dollars of food aid other countries pump into that continent every year then aye.

The "shonagon53" decoder: Prescientific fantasy = "I do not have the abililty to answer your questions. I will run and hide now"

15. Jun 30, 2004

### shonagon53

Japan ranks 21st. With a relatively low suicide rate. Northeastern Europe ranks first. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_mal

Many third world countries have suicide rates higher than the US. Does this mean there are relatively speaking more dentists, physicians, scientists, lawyers, etc... in these countries? (Your earlier statement, vaguely lumping "Japan" - "professions"- "intelligence" - "suicide" together in something that vaguely resembles a todler's thought, seem to suggest this).

Man, you're so confused.

16. Jun 30, 2004

### BlackVision

21st out of 200+ countries means Japan has a low suicide rate? Oh ok I see how that works. And why is it that you give statistics for "male suicides only" Are there no women that commit suicide? Please tell me how Japan ranks with women weighed in.

Here are articles pointing to this "low suicide rate"

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/4768327.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/japan010904_suicide.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1524782.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/383823.stm
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3340456/

"Intellectual people are more prone to be suicidal. It isn't the only factor, or even the sole factor, but it is still indeed a factor."--BlackVision

And I'm the one that's confused?? When you clearly had absolutely no ability to compute this bit of information?

By the way, when you actually get around to responding to all of my other statements let me know. There certainly is a wide gap in the content of replies between mine and yours.

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17. Jun 30, 2004

### Monique

Staff Emeritus
I've been told that the suicide rates in Japan are high by a Japanese highly educated friend. The reason is pressure to excell, since WOII the country was in a bad state and had to rebuild their economy and technologies, in order to do so they had to cram a lot of information into their students and did. This caused the suicide rates to sore, but now the government has started to take away this kind of pressures by taking certain measures. I've been told by that same person that pi = 3.0 in Japan's highschools.. because it is easier to remember that 3.14159. So I've been told. It's an interesting story.

And again you CANNOT say anything about 'blacks' or 'whites', you need to specify cultural/ethnic groups. Everyone has the same potential to be succesfull, but historically not everyone is given that same chance.

Just look at India, what percentage is educated? Then look at Indians living in the US, what percentage is educated? So how does saying something about caucasian people or 'whites' say something about Indians? (because Indians ARE caucasian and thus belong to the white 'race' according to people who like to think in such skewed terms).

18. Jun 30, 2004

### shonagon53

Dear Monique, I'm 100% with you. As you've noticed by now, my entire post was intended as irony, since there's so much pseudo-scientific nonsense about "race" on this message board. So I thought, let's turn this entire thing around.

I stick to my original point though: non-white people dominate the informal economy, which makes them superior to whites, in that particular field. ;-)

19. Jun 30, 2004

### shonagon53

Monique, I'm glad you mention the role of "history". People need to understand more about such unpredictable dynamics and indeterminate things like history and contingency.

But these are rather complex concepts indeed and it requires courage to introduce them into debates about biological determinism.

[excuse me for my mediocre English, I'm not a native speaker.]

20. Jun 30, 2004

### Moonbear

Staff Emeritus
Intellectual people are more prone than whom to be suicidal? In the link I provided, the only large scale, comprehensive study, conducted by NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) indicated 3 groups of people stood out at highest risk for suicide. White male health professionals...okay, sure, they are educated, and would count as intellectuals; Black male guards...now, I can't speak for individuals in this group, but as a profession, it doesn't require a great deal of education and most wouldn't consider it an intellectual profession; and White female artists...well, most don't consider artists as intellectuals either, though, again, I can't speak to the individuals in the group, just that as a group, artistic talent doesn't require being an intellectual.

Here's a site that discusses suicide primarily among African-American youth:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/youth/jan-june98/suicide_5-6.html

"ELIZABETH BRACKETT: While suicide was once relatively rare among black teenagers, a study just released by the Center for Disease Control shows over the last two decades it has increased dramatically. The study found that while the suicide rate for white youth is still higher than for African-American youth, the rate of suicide for African-Americans is rising much faster. From 1980 to 1994, the suicide rate for whites age 15 to 19 went up 22 percent, while the rate for 15 to 19 year old blacks increased by 146 percent.

DR. CARL BELL: We should be worried about the increases; they are substantial.

ELIZABETH BRACKETT: Psychiatrist Carl Bell runs a community mental health center on the South side of Chicago. He has found that in Chicago the suicide rate for young blacks is even higher than for whites.

DR. CARL BELL: The common denominator is a major depression or psychiatric illness and a feeling of not being wanted or having a place in society, a sense of alienation. And when you have those two combinations, throw in alcohol and guns, you’ve got a potential suicide victim.

ELIZABETH BRACKETT: Bell, the co-author of a book on adolescent suicide and homicide, says poor black kids may kill themselves because they see their lives as hopeless, while more middle class black kids have different pressures."

This site describes the numerous risk factors for suicide: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3004.htm

Or, more directly related to depression, here's something else: