I am convinced that order must come from disorder. If there is something to be disordered, then if there is nothing constraining things to become ordered, then it seems axiomatic that some order eventually arises. Specifically, with regard to the formation of the Observable universe from a sea of undifferentiated energy. (In my mind, I see the universe as a bubble in an eternal pool of swirling, random, chaotic "something" (Something that can create universes such as ours). In your best layman's terms, can you help me explain order from disorder to a couple of theists who insist that the 2nd Law makes it impossible, or that in order to have order arise from disorder you need order in the first place, etc.... (the latter may be true, but in a trivial sense - the "laws" of the undifferentiated energy/quantum foam/or whatever it is that exists "outside" of the universe may have some order in this sense: "Be chaotic".) Anyhow, looking for some decent explanations on the current understanding of how things could have arose from random chaos. Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance.