# Normal Matrices Examples ( )

1. Nov 29, 2012

### tazzzdo

Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

I need to produce 2 x 2 normal matrices A and B such that A + B is not normal. I have proven that AB is normal if AB = BA using the Householder matrix form. But I can't find a form for A + B failing to be normal.

A matrix A with entries a, b, c, d is going to be normal if b = c. But that means a matrix B has to have b = c to be normal as well. So A + B will have 2b, 2c for the 1,2 and 2,1 entries as well which will make A + B normal.

Unless I'm totally off. I have to get this done in the next 3 hours.

2. Nov 29, 2012

### micromass

Staff Emeritus
Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

or "urgent". You will actually get less replies that way.

3. Nov 29, 2012

### Staff: Mentor

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Schoolwork?

4. Nov 29, 2012

### mathwonk

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

relax, the world will not end if this drags out.

I suggest starting by thinking up a really simple non normal matrix, then try to realize it as A+B where A and B are a little nicer. (This took me about 30 seconds.)

5. Nov 29, 2012

### micromass

Staff Emeritus
Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

I've moved it to homework.

6. Nov 29, 2012

### tazzzdo

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

I don't understand how to make a non-normal matrix break down into 2 normal matrices. That's the whole point of my post.

7. Nov 29, 2012

### micromass

Staff Emeritus
Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Can you give us an example of a non-normal matrix?

8. Nov 29, 2012

### tazzzdo

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

1 1
0 1

There is no way to make that matrix the sum of 2 normal matrices A and B?

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9. Nov 29, 2012

### Dick

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Sure there's a way. Try and write it as the sum of a symmetric matrix and an antisymmetric matrix.

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10. Nov 29, 2012

### tazzzdo

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Now I understand. I used

0 1
1 0

and

0 -1
1 0

11. Nov 29, 2012

### Dick

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Sure. That works.

12. Nov 29, 2012

### tazzzdo

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

Love being in grad school and missing stupid things like that. -__- Preciate the help.

13. Nov 29, 2012

### mathwonk

Re: Normal Matrices Examples (URGENT)

nice hint, micro mass. good job, tazzzdo.