Dixie Chicks: Not Ready To Make Nice

[Ivan Seeking]

As a show of support, I'm buying my first country CD ever!

The Dixie Chicks - Not Ready To Make Nice

Martie Maguire says that all three Chicks believe they've grown as a result of the incident. "I learned I was ready to put my career on the line for something I believed in," she says. "Emily and I could have pressured Natalie to apologize, and I was so proud that I had that inner strength - that nothing is as important as standing up for what you believe in."

http://www.musicrooms.net/cm/live/templates/?a=2588&z=3

 

[Math Is Hard]

I can't remember what was said about Bush that was so inflammatory.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I can't remember what was said about Bush that was so inflammatory.

She was embarrassed to be from the same State as Bush.

 

[Averagesupernova]

I really don't see why anyone needs to appologize for that. It's an opinion, they are entitled to it. It may have been inappropriate, but if anyone watches Letterman, SNL, or anything like that I don't see how they are any better.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Uh oh, I may be cancelling my order.

This statement failed to quiet her critics, and on March 14, 2003, she issued an apology: "As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks

What's this; cowards and liars?

 

[Pengwuino]

I dunno, running off to another nation to insult our president doesn't exactly fit the definition of respect. And boy is this old news.

 

[Moonbear]

My opinion is that it's all over-hyped...by them...to sell albums. They're just trying to pander to whoever will buy their music as far as I'm concerned. But, hey, free speech and free market...they can say whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it's going to make me buy their albums.

 

[Math Is Hard]

..They're just trying to pander to whoever will buy ...

sorta like politicians do? :rofl:

 

[Moonbear]

sorta like politicians do? :rofl:

Yep, pretty much the same.

 

[Pengwuino]

My opinion is that it's all over-hyped...by them...to sell albums. They're just trying to pander to whoever will buy their music as far as I'm concerned. But, hey, free speech and free market...they can say whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it's going to make me buy their albums.

Well of course they're just pandering to people. Except it backfired for the most part :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Ah people will fork over anything to anyone who bashes Bush these days.

I was disgusted when people were complaining that you're violating their free speech by refusing to buy their albums. What a load...

 

[Moonbear]

I was disgusted when people were complaining that you're violating their free speech by refusing to buy their albums. What a load...

Yeah, I heard that version too. That really bugged me. People can choose to buy or not buy the album for any reason they want. If you hate the music and want to buy it because of the message, great. If you love the music but refuse to buy it because of the message, great. If you like the music and buy it even if you disagree with the message, great.

 

[Pengwuino]

Yeah, I heard that version too. That really bugged me. People can choose to buy or not buy the album for any reason they want. If you hate the music and want to buy it because of the message, great. If you love the music but refuse to buy it because of the message, great. If you like the music and buy it even if you disagree with the message, great.

Everything turns into a free speech issue these days. I am probably violating someones free speech right now... somehow... I rarely buy things or stop buying things just because of what someone said or didnt say or whatever. I know my father once got on a thing about not buying this one mustard because it was French owned and he wanted to buy this bbq sauce because ... some other stupid reason, i forget. I'm way too lazy to protest or support people.

 

[selfAdjoint]

There was an active campaign to get radio stations not to play their music. People certainly had a RIGHT to behave this way but since all they said was things I personally believe it made me mad. Such is polarization in the US in the twenty first century!

I just bought their new CD. Not that I relate that much to that kind of music but it wanted to plunk down my 17.50 or whatever to support them. And nuts to you people who speak of public performers as "pandering". That's a snarl word that can be directed against anyone in the media. Doesn't Fox News "pander" to the right wingers?

 

[Pengwuino]

But fox news doesn't put out cds for people to fork over their money for... It's pandering and they're getting rich off bush-bashing like so many others, its a fact of life.

This is all very anti-capitalist in my point of view as well. I think it's completely insane for people to buy or not buy something based off of any criteria other then how good the product is. This leaves a lot to be said on how you support people you agree with but hey, its simple and works for me.

And the sad thing is... how do you even know these chicks even disagree with the president? When did rich people become the bastion of honesty? ha! that's another great aspect of my policy, I am never lied to because i don't listen to anyone :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[silkworm]

The whole argument against the Dixie Chicks as that when she said that about Bush she did so in a foreign country (although in the borders of our greatest ally) and at a time of war, which for some reason brings our troops down. It's the most ridiculous and paranoid thing I have ever heard and it show's you how kneejerk and delusional the demographic that supports the president (who were die hard Dixie Chick fans before this happened) to begin with. I'm ashamed that Bush is from America, and I say that with many close friends in this war.

I'm a Kansas boy, I know what the deal is here.

 

[Pengwuino]

Wow i think that statement showed how dilusional the anti-bush crowd is. Do you think the troops, that are fighting for their lives as terrorists hunker down in German built bunkers, were heading out with their heads held high because their follow americans ran away to another country to disrespect their commander-in-chief?

 

[BobG]

But fox news doesn't put out cds for people to fork over their money for... It's pandering and they're getting rich off bush-bashing like so many others, its a fact of life.

This is all very anti-capitalist in my point of view as well. I think it's completely insane for people to buy or not buy something based off of any criteria other then how good the product is. This leaves a lot to be said on how you support people you agree with but hey, its simple and works for me.

And the sad thing is... how do you even know these chicks even disagree with the president? When did rich people become the bastion of honesty? ha! that's another great aspect of my policy, I am never lied to because i don't listen to anyone :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No, Fox News puts out T-shirts, polo shirts, hats, and coffee cups, etc. (http://shop.ecompanystore.com/foxnews/FOX_shop.asp

There's a difference bewteen the Dixie Chicks bashing Bush and Kanye West, Bruce Springsteen, Jadakiss, Ozzy Osbourne, and others bashing bush. Country music fans are much more likely to be pro-Bush than fans of other types of music, so you could expect them to lose money by bashing Bush rather than making more money.

Generally, country music artists are the most likely to do USO tours to support the troops - they take a hit in money compared to what they could make on a commercial tour, but it really resonates with their fan base.

Still, when it comes to the Dixie Chicks' music... meh, it's okay, but I've never bought one of their CDs.

 

[Pengwuino]

I understand what you're syaing but i think the anti-bush sentiment in this country is so out of control, i bet they could have easily thought they would make more money appealing to the wealthier, more politically obsessed left and easily boosted international sales. You wouldn't happen to know how their sales were doing before they made that comment would you?

 

[BobG]

I understand what you're syaing but i think the anti-bush sentiment in this country is so out of control, i bet they could have easily thought they would make more money appealing to the wealthier, more politically obsessed left and easily boosted international sales. You wouldn't happen to know how their sales were doing before they made that comment would you?

The last CD they made before the controversy (Home) debuted at #1 on the Country charts, making them the first female musicians to have two albums debut at #1. The newest CD, the first since the controversy, makes them the first female musicians to have 3 albums debut at #1.

In other words, the effect of the controversy reduced the amount of airplay they got on the radio, which you would expect to affect sales, but actually wound up having little effect one way or the other.

 

[Pengwuino]

Wow i don't know which is more surprising, their record sales or the fact that their airtime didn't affect their sales in any dramatic way. This really makes me wonder about the logic people use when they steal music... the whole "getting their music out there for free means higher sales" thing.

 

[BobG]

Wow i don't know which is more surprising, their record sales or the fact that their airtime didn't affect their sales in any dramatic way. This really makes me wonder about the logic people use when they steal music... the whole "getting their music out there for free means higher sales" thing.

It makes me wonder if music fans really pay that much attention to things their favorite musicians say. I know I couldn't care less about the opinions of the musicians I listen to. In fact, most are a little disappointing when you find out about their personal lives.

 

[silkworm]

Wow i think that statement showed how dilusional the anti-bush crowd is. Do you think the troops, that are fighting for their lives as terrorists hunker down in German built bunkers, were heading out with their heads held high because their follow americans ran away to another country to disrespect their commander-in-chief?

Well, for one thing, an argument could be made that the commander-in-chief, arguably the worst ever in the history of the United States, has neglectfully and irrationally put these soldiers lives in danger. Should we just give him free political reign because he's forced into his war? If so, that would be a strategy of every future president, start a war any war for any reason and plunder plunder plunder because the misdirected patriotism will never hold you accountable.

I tried to go to this war but I couldn't get clearance, and I wouldn't be fighting for GW Bush or his regime, whom I personally have no feelings or respect for. My father did two tours in Vietnam and is convinced to this day that LBJ is the biggest idiot in the history of the world, and he fought for him.

Anyone who is fighting in a war to please the President doesn't understand how a democratic nation operates and probably does not have the emotional stability to be in a war. That is generally not the case, every soldier I know is ashamed of Bush as well.

 

[silkworm]

It makes me wonder if music fans really pay that much attention to things their favorite musicians say. I know I couldn't care less about the opinions of the musicians I listen to. In fact, most are a little disappointing when you find out about their personal lives.

Unfortunately yes. The American public is more obsessed with the entertainer aristocracy than anything else, and that incudes the fundamentalists. Anything is done to avoid reality or anything useful.

 

[Pengwuino]

It makes me wonder if music fans really pay that much attention to things their favorite musicians say. I know I couldn't care less about the opinions of the musicians I listen to. In fact, most are a little disappointing when you find out about their personal lives.

I think it really depends on who it is (the artist that is). Some people act like Bongo or whatever his name is is some sort of god and will quote him! It's strange that its only a few actors/musicians that people quote... I guess its normally the ones who are such loudmouths that get quoted all the time :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Pengwuino]

Well, for one thing, an argument could be made that the commander-in-chief, arguably the worst ever in the history of the United States, has neglectfully and irrationally put these soldiers lives in danger. Should we just give him free political reign because he's forced into his war? If so, that would be a strategy of every future president, start a war any war for any reason and plunder plunder plunder because the misdirected patriotism will never hold you accountable.

Completely off the subject. It doesn't matter what WE think as far as this argument goes. Its what the soldiers FEEL when they see such acts that are purpetuated by bush bashers. Let's not get off topic.

Anyone who is fighting in a war to please the President doesn't understand how a democratic nation operates and probably does not have the emotional stability to be in a war. That is generally not the case, every soldier I know is ashamed of Bush as well.

Completely illogical. Thats like saying if someone fights to please their parents, they don't understand how the US treasury works. Theres no connection between someones understanding of a democratic society and whether or not they will fight to please someone. Thats actually the ultimate goal of a democratic society; letting people fight for what they believe in. If they want to fight for the President, so be it. If they want to fight for US citizens, so be it. If they don't want to fight at all, that's what a volunteer army is for and so be it.

So please stay on topic and figure out why our troops wouldn't feel bad about such a dispicable act.

 

[Gokul43201]

You must be nuts to think the Dixie Chicks singer said "Bush is a moron" (approximately) as a publicity stunt. That's like a surefire way to lose a great whopping chunk of your audience. And for saying what most of the country would now not think twice before agreeing with, they endured numerous death threats and nothing short of open hostility from the rest of the Country music industry. Publicity, indeed!

And the only complaints about curbing free speech that I've heard are in regards to the political pressure exerted on record labels/radio stations to not deal with the DCs. I've never heard anyone say "Joe Blow here has no respect for free speech - he just refuses the buy the Dixie Chicks' cd". And so what if someone did say that? It only proves that there exist people that make illogical statements (and that some folks here seem to constantly run into these people) - that's a surprise!

And to top it all off, it becomes anti-capitalist if I choose to spend my money the way I want to? That's even more insane than the alleged "free speech" contradiction.

 

[Pengwuino]

And they still have #1 CD's and had air time up the wazzoo from the media and praise from most of the industrial world. Wow poor girls!

And yes it is anti-capitalist to the strictest sense of the word. The idea that you're free to use your money how you see fit is more of a freedom, democracy, etc etc thing. Buying things based on economic principles is the capitalist/communist/socialist thing I am talking about. Don't spin the argument.

Then again maybe its just semantics and not worth the argument. You know what i mean though

 

[Gokul43201]

And they still have #1 CD's

Yeah, how sick!

Are you making an argument? Actually, forget that...I really don't care.

And yes it is anti-capitalist to the strictest sense of the word. The idea that you're free to use your money how you see fit is more of a freedom, democracy, etc etc thing. Buying things based on economic principles is the capitalist/communist/socialist thing I am talking about. Don't spin the argument.

Did you say I was spinning the argument? I'm not going to describe what I think you've been doing with this thread. Instead I suggest you look up Capitalism. You'll find that a defining characteristic is that private entities get to choose how they wish to invest their money. Why on Earth would you presume to know what benefit I get out of a product I choose to purchase?

 

[Moonbear]

It makes me wonder if music fans really pay that much attention to things their favorite musicians say. I know I couldn't care less about the opinions of the musicians I listen to. In fact, most are a little disappointing when you find out about their personal lives.

That's my main point of view on this. A lot say things that appeal to one demographic and offend another. I don't use that as my basis for buying their music. I buy music based on whether I like the music, just like I buy mustard and ketchup and bbq sauce based on the ones with the flavor I like, not because of who makes them or doesn't make them. I guess if I found out a particular company was funneling their profits directly to support terrorist activities, or something that extreme, I would stop buying from them, but if they're just voicing their opinions on politics, well, to me that has nothing to do with the product they sell. But, that's me. I'm sharing my opinion, but that doesn't mean I'm pushing it on anyone else. If Ivan, and others, want to buy music they'd never listen to otherwise just to support the message the Dixie Chicks are spreading, that's cool with me. Who knows, maybe they'll find they actually like the music once they buy it and listen to it. I do like Country music, but just never really liked the Dixie Chicks. And, I'm not going to stop listening to other country artists just because they're pro-Bush either (not that I have a clue who is and who isn't, but I'd guess more are than aren't).

And, I agree that it's not at all anti-capitalist if someone does use that as the basis of their purchasing decision. Everyone has their own reasons for buying the products they buy, be it perception of quality, recommendations from a friend, a good commercial, the political views of the company owner, the source of their materials, the country they manufacture their product in, they just like the taste or feel or look, etc.

 

[Pengwuino]

Did you say I was spinning the argument? I'm not going to describe what I think you've been doing with this thread. Instead I suggest you look up Capitalism. You'll find that a defining characteristic is that private entities get to choose how they wish to invest their money. Why on Earth would you presume to know what benefit I get out of a product I choose to purchase?

Ok maybe I am just thinking of "common sense". Buying things based on the quality must be a common sense thing instead.

 

[Moonbear]

Ok maybe I am just thinking of "common sense". Buying things based on the quality must be a common sense thing instead.

How does choice of music have anything to do with a "common sense" basis of quality? We're not talking about choosing between a CD that will last 3 plays and one that will last decades, we're talking about people's individual tastes. People buy music for a lot of reasons, and sometimes it's the message in the lyrics, and sometimes it's the sound of the instruments, sometimes it's the singer's voice quality, sometimes it's how good looking the members of the group are, etc. And, really, with any purchase of any product, perceptions of what it means to be quality varies. Let's use coffee as an example. Some think it's the quantity you get for the cost, so buy the inexpensive brands; some prefer a strong coffee regardless of price, so buy an expensive brand, others will buy based on whether the coffee is produced using sustainable agriculture because they think quality is determined by how much environmental impact the production has, some think the dark roast is good quality, while others think the lighter roast is good quality, some prefer whole beans they grind themselves, and others think buying it already ground is better because they don't want to be bothered to grind it themselves, or just don't have a grinder. And, then there are those who sit there making faces wondering why anyone would buy coffee, let alone drink it. When people are choosing a product based on quality, that still doesn't mean everyone chooses the same product, because quality is subjective.

 

[Pengwuino]

You miss the point. All those things have direct effects on the quality of the product (besides the idea that you're buying something based on its impact to the environemnt). If the CEO of Folgers cames out and said he hated France, the quality of the coffee isn't going to go down and if someone actually does think the quality goes down because of something like that, they need to get checked out.

 

[Moonbear]

You miss the point. All those things have direct effects on the quality of the product (besides the idea that you're buying something based on its impact to the environemnt). If the CEO of Folgers cames out and said he hated France, the quality of the coffee isn't going to go down and if someone actually does think the quality goes down because of something like that, they need to get checked out.

But if all else were equal...say they didn't really care if they had Folgers or Maxwell House, liked both the same...and the CEO of one company was vocal about supporting or denouncing a particular political view, then why not choose based on that? People buy products based on flashy commercials that don't actually say anything about the quality of the product, so why would this be any different? If someone has an extra $17 in their pocket and wants to buy something frivolous, why does it matter if they choose to use it to support a music group voicing political views they agree with?

 

[Pengwuino]

But if all else were equal...say they didn't really care if they had Folgers or Maxwell House, liked both the same...and the CEO of one company was vocal about supporting or denouncing a particular political view, then why not choose based on that? People buy products based on flashy commercials that don't actually say anything about the quality of the product, so why would this be any different? If someone has an extra $17 in their pocket and wants to buy something frivolous, why does it matter if they choose to use it to support a music group voicing political views they agree with?

When did i say it should be illegal to buy things based on something other then the quality of the product?

 

[Moonbear]

When did i say it should be illegal to buy things based on something other then the quality of the product?

I didn't say you said it should be illegal, but you do seem to be pretty vehemently speaking out against those who would choose to do that, to the point of implying they lack common sense.