Please forgive me if this is just philosophy. I was watching an event where niel degrasse tyson invited several other astrophysicists to debate about how a universe can come from nothing. Now obviously lawrence krauss uses the word nothing in an ambiguous way and can easily be misinterperated. So these astrophysicists were all giving various definitions of nothing and what occured to me is they didnt really touch upon the true definition of nothing. Which is absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever, cant even be visualised, the abscense of everything at all ever. Now surely from a scientific standpoint we cannot even have an ounce of confidence that there was ever nothing at all, on a very basic level if anything was ever the triggering factor for the beginning of time then nothing is a complete falsehood. By the way, this works just the same for creationists as if god started the universe then of course there was something and not nothing. In fact, and again this may be unscientific, nothing cannot even be a try thing, it destroys it ever taking place in any point of time/space/other dimension, by its very definition. So do you think that the idea of nothing is maybe brought up too much and is a logical falsehood that should be moved away from by both scientists and theists?