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News Obama and the House Republicans

  1. Jan 30, 2010 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    How many here watched this? As did many Republicans, I found the exchange to be useful and refreshing.

    Here is my favorite line from Obama

    Bravo! Note that even some Republicans applauded!

    Also a salient point
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    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/292b631e-0d1e-11df-a2dc-00144feabdc0.html
     
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  3. Jan 30, 2010 #2
    Video's of the meeting can be found on Youtube

    Question and answer period.



    Responce from Republican congressional leaders.

     
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  4. Jan 31, 2010 #3

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    I'm only a 20-something, and have been following politics for half that time, but it feels like you American (and our Canadian) politicians are always campaigning, mugging for the press / looking for a good sound bite, and that everything is hyper-partisan, and interpreted through those glasses / spun through that machine.

    Has it always been that way? Is it just the 24-hour news cycle, the ADD culture we have now (internet, Twitter, gold-fish attention spans, etc.), or that politics is treated like some sort of spectator sport? Or maybe, as Baz Luhrmann says, it's just some sort of idealization of the past on my part with some white-washed notion that politicians were reasonable, rational--noble--people who were primarily concerned with the well-being of their country.

    I think I saw it when John McCain stood up and questioned the wisdom of war time tax cuts and torture (for which he got lambasted), and when Obama delivered his keynote at the DNC in 2004 (the core of which--working together, finding common ground, and overcoming dichotomous divides--probably caused the evisceration of the recent health care bill and got HIM lambasted).

    EDIT: Either way, I thought you Yanks were in good hands (except where the VPs were concerned--that seemed to be a no-brainer, pun may or may not be intended depending upon your political inclination). Too bad they supposedly detest one-another (according to Game Change, at any rate)
     
  5. Jan 31, 2010 #4
    A good read. Thanks.
     
  6. Jan 31, 2010 #5

    Ivan Seeking

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    Politics has always been dirty, but there is a difference between what we see now and what we saw in the past. Part of this has been attributed to people like Tom DeLay, former House Majority Leader, who, rather than seeing consensus as as the path to election, as Reagan did, sought to divide and conquer. In fact there were some Republicans, including DeLay, whose stated goal was to effectively eliminate the Democratic party.

    Today, a good number of Americans still believe that Obama is a Muslim who harbors a secret, dark agenda; that he's really not an American; that he's a socialist; that he was brainwashed in a Madrasah.

    Consider this: Reagan, former Republican President, and Tip O'Neill, former Democratic Speaker of the House, were political adversaries but also the best of friends. Can anyone imagine Bush and Pelosi going for a horseback ride together?
     
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  7. Jan 31, 2010 #6
    When Eisenhower left office (president) he had to walk to the train station because he did not have the money for a taxi. Have things changed? Yes. Extremely.
     
  8. Jan 31, 2010 #7

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    A bit of a diversion, but an interesting point of history, I thought:

    After a hard day in the oval office, Grant used to walk down the street to the Williams Hotel for a cigar and brandy. Soon, people began to realize that they had access to Grant who could be found sitting in the lobby. As the story goes, this is where we get the word "lobbyist".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying

    Apparently the BBC claims there was an early usage of the term, in the UK.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2010 #8
    A celebration of the truth perhaps?
     
  10. Jan 31, 2010 #9

    Ivan Seeking

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    The truth that Republicans have made these crackpot claims? No doubt about it.

    Or was it your goal to twist this into another misrepresentation of the facts? Do you really believe this was a Bolshevik plot, or are you willing to admit that the inference that this is some kind of Bolshevik plot, is absurd and crackpot?
     
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  11. Jan 31, 2010 #10
    Thanks for posting the youtube link. I like how Obama presents himself at meetings like this, no matter how important they are.

    Like at the beginning when the leader who was saying who had questions was first asking the questions himself and Obama at the end was kind of laughing at him and he says '...this guy' hahaha that nearly killed me.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2010 #11

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    Yes, I agree that Obama is twisting and misrepresenting the Republican opposition. Certainly no one in Congress ever claimed that Obamacare was a "Bolshevik plot".

    No doubt we are in agreement that Obama shouldn't be making such crackpot claims...?
     
  13. Feb 1, 2010 #12

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    From the transcript:
    I didn't see the article and I bet CNN was scratching their heads over these poll results (as, apparently, was Obama), but people need to be able to grasp such simple realities: people like candy, and will eat a piece at a time, but not a fistfull at a time. When you package a few dozen different policy initiatives together and get to see the big picture of what it all costs, people start realizing that its a bad idea.
    Pat yourself on the back much? No, Barry, economists will attest that deep recessions come with (initially anyway) fast recoveries. We've run the number in this forum on the fraction of the economic growth that was related to the stimulus and it's pretty small. Only somewhere on the order of two percentage points of that 12 point turnaround could possibly have been from the stimulus.
    Wait - you know that tort reform is important to Republicans and despite the fact that you [are implying] favor it, you didn't put it in the bill, so now you're blaming Republican for not supporting it loudly enough? Sorry, you can't have that cake and eat it to. You can't bash the republicans for not supporting something you didn't do. Knowing that it was a "holy grail" issue for Republicans, there is no excuse for you not to include it if you really did favor it.
    He's naive if he thinks that's going to have any traction.

    I also like his deflection of the issue of his increasing spending before freezing spending - basically, he says 'we'll talk about it later'.
     
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  14. Feb 1, 2010 #13

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    Well, 80% x 80% = 64%, and another 80% makes it 51.2%, and pretty soon everyone hates it.:smile:
     
  15. Feb 1, 2010 #14
    It is the basic problem with democracy everyone loves candy and no one wants to pay for it. Leading to spiraling debt that eventually destroys the country.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2010 #15

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    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
     
  17. Feb 1, 2010 #16
    Obama never said they did. What he said was:

    I listened closely to the debate this summer and between the death panels and the government takeover arguments, I came away with that perception of some Republican arguments. And judging from the applause... so did a number of Republicans.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2010 #17
    After 234 years, are you saying we are overdue?
     
  19. Feb 1, 2010 #18
    Who is this quote from? Thanks.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2010 #19

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    Alexander Fraser Tytler
     
  21. Feb 2, 2010 #20

    Ivan Seeking

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    Then why did even Republicans applaud, Hmmmmm? Were they applauding because it really is a secret plot, or did the Republicans agree that other Republicans have acted like a bunch of crackpots in trying to terrorize people?
     
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