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Old Atomic weapons?

  1. Jan 14, 2007 #1

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    I came across this looking for something else.
    I'm curious as to what, if any, objective reality is associated with it.

    http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2007 #2

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    Sounds like a meteorite impact to me. What they are saying about radiation doesn't jive with reality - if it is really that intense, why are they still working in the area? And after 8,000 years, having a lot of residual radiation would require a rather large weapon. Afterall - neither Hiroshima nor Nagasaki had to be abandoned after WWII.
     
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  4. Jan 15, 2007 #3

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    Sounds like nonsense. But that may only be because it's presented poorly.

    Nobody, except for a small clique of fringe historians* (most of them, Indian) believes there was any kind of civilization in India between 10,000 and 6,000BC. The earliest buildings appeared in different parts of the world around 7000BC, in the neolithic age. At 6000BC, there were likely between one and two million people in the whole world. Besides, I don't believe a 10-20 kilton nuke can take out half a million people unless for some crazy reason, the population density in the middle of the Rajasthan desert 10,000 years ago was comparable to an densely populated urban area today (the city of Jodhpur has a population of about a million people today, and less than 50,000 a century ago).

    There are descriptions of hundreds of different weapons in the Mahabharata (which was written around 1000BC according to most historians; Ganguli might be one of those that insist it was written closer to 5000BC.) There's one weapon that bring torrential rain, one which rains down fire from the skies, one which brings heavy winds, another that digs tunnels into the earth, one that wipes out every armed person in sight (you defeat it by dropping your weapons)...I'm sure you can find an analog to any modern day device in the Mahabharata if you use a little imagination.

    As for the radioactivity, it would seem, to my naive mind, that this is easiest explained by means of a natural fission reactor like the one at Oklo.

    * Admittedly, some of the early archeological and other historical treatises that proposed the Aryan migration theory were penned by scholars with an agenda (e.g., Max Mueller). I can't say I know very much about this, but I believe there's now tons more evidence that all points to roughly the same timeline and historical narrative.
     
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  5. Jan 15, 2007 #4
    There is another such find, Libyan Desert Glass.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_glass
    The origin of the glass is a controversial issue for the scientific community. Meteoric origins were long suspected, but then research linked the glass to evidence of impact mechanics (vaporized quartz and meteoric metals) and to an impact crater. The topic is currently still evolving, and some geologists associate the glass not with impact melt ejecta, but with radiative melting from meteoric large aerial bursts, i.e., the glass would be analogous to trinitite created from sand exposed to the thermal radiation of a fireball.

    Scientists have always been satisfied with a meteor-impact hypothesis, although no one has found a crater of suitable size or other supporting evidence.
    If you put a sample of the glass made from the Trinity blast next to the Libyan glass, they look identical.
     
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  6. Jan 15, 2007 #5

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  7. Jan 15, 2007 #6

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    This was my immediate impression.

    OTOH, given my understanding of real estate values in Japan, the cost of any necessary remedial action would most likely be worth the price.

    I have no idea of what activities were required to reclaim the areas or what would remain if no action was taken.
     
  8. Jan 15, 2007 #7

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    I agree, but there are enough odd bits floating around that I was wondering if there was any analytical information supporting the claim.

    There is always this
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruins_in_the_Gulf_of_Cambay
    Not quite sure what to make of it other than it seems consistant with the rise in sea levels with the start of the holocene about 10k-8k years ago.
     
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  10. Jan 15, 2007 #9

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    Love the posts by wisdumb in that thread....
    No real cleanup would be possible if it had been necessary, which it wasn't. You'd pretty much have to scoop up the entire landmass and dump it into the ocean to get rid of it.
     
  11. Jan 15, 2007 #10

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    This looks better
    Rather odd page though.
    Not clearly for or against.

     
  12. Jan 15, 2007 #11

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    Do you know that or is it just a guess on your part?
    I couldn't find much on the details.
    I did see that a lot of money was spent.
     
  13. Jan 15, 2007 #12

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    Conspiracy theorists plagarizing other conspiracy theorists is not evidence.
    We discussed this in a recent thread in P&WA, but because the bombs were air-bursts, there was little fallout concentrated in the area. Here's an article describing it: http://www.uic.com.au/nip29.htm

    You won't find any info on decontamination because there wasn't any.

    Here's an article from the other thread describing the fallout from a much larger weapon (1MT). Notice on page 11, where it says that residual radiation would be back to peacetime levels in 10 years.... http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/7906/790604.pdf
     
  14. Jan 16, 2007 #13

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    :rofl:
    Interesting. Thanks for the pointers.
     
  15. Jan 16, 2007 #14
    I like the fact that possibly nobody googled information about the area until byrd.

    What I was really wondering after I read this was what seemed a great disparity of technology between and even within the opposing forces. Elephants, steeds and atomic weapons :rolleyes:
     
  16. Jan 16, 2007 #15

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    Guess it's time to Google "vimana" then!
     
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