Physical Significance of the Product Av for Non-Eigenvector States

In summary, the conversation discusses the physical significance of the product Av, where A is a matrix representing an observation and v is a vector representing a system state before observation. It is clarified that there is no useful interpretation of Av for arbitrary states v. Instead, the state after interaction is represented by e^{-iHt}v\otimes w, where w is the state of the measuring apparatus and H is the Hamiltonian describing the interaction between the two. The concept of averaging and Ehrenfest's theorem are also mentioned in relation to this topic.
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If A is a matrix that represents an observation and v is a vector that represents a system state before being observed - and v is not an eigenvector of A - is there any physical significance to the product Av? At first I thought it was what v would become after the observation (I was reading a pretty bad book). Now I know that's completely wrong but I was just wondering if it meant anything at all.

Thanks.
 
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"If A is an operator representing an observable"...is how your question should have started. :smile: You could also have said "measurable quantity" or something like that instead of "observable".

There's no useful interpretation of Av that holds for arbitrary states v.

If you want the state after the interaction, its [itex]e^{-iHt}v\otimes w[/itex] where w is the state of the measuring apparatus, H is the Hamiltonian describing the interaction between the two, and t is the time from "before the measurement" to "after the measurement".
 
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Thanks Fredrik. I didn't know that there is a vector associated with the measuring apparatus.
 
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(v*).Av or something like that is the average if you prepare multiple copies of v and measure A on it multiple times.

Often written <v|A|v>.

You can also see Ehrenfest's theorem.
 
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Hey thanks, atyy. The Ehrenfest theorem looks very interesting indeed.
 

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