Organic Chemistry Lab Questions: pKa of p-Chlorophenol

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the pKa of p-chlorophenol as part of an organic chemistry lab. Participants explore the implications of UV spectroscopy in relation to phenol and its conjugate base, as well as practical lab techniques regarding solvent use.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether changing the pH and concentration would alter the isosbestic point observed in their UV spectrum.
  • Another participant explains that the difference in absorbances between phenol and phenolate may be due to their nature as conjugate acid and conjugate base.
  • A participant notes that the isosbestic point corresponds to the \displaystyle \pi system and suggests that significant shifts are unlikely if solutions are prepared with the same concentration.
  • Concerns are raised about using acetone to wash glassware, with one participant stating that acetone is UV-active and could interfere with subsequent analyses if traces remain.
  • Another participant mentions that the maximum absorbances of the acid and basic forms can differ even at the same total concentrations due to different molar absorption coefficients.
  • A later reply clarifies that the molar absorption coefficient is denoted by \displaystyle \epsilon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the isosbestic point and the implications of using acetone, but there are nuances regarding the differences in absorbance and the conditions affecting the UV spectrum that remain open for further discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific definitions and implications of terms like isosbestic point and molar absorption coefficient, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that could affect their understanding of the lab results.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators in organic chemistry, particularly those interested in UV spectroscopy and lab techniques related to phenolic compounds.

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Hi all
I am doing this lab in my organic course right now, and I have a few questions. The phenol I am working on is pKa of p-chlorophenol.
I obtained a UV spectrum of phenol in acid, phenol in base, phenol in buffer with higher pH and phenol in buffer with lower pH.

1)In the UV spectrum, there is a isosbestic or crossover point by the 4 solutions used above, would changing of the pH and concentration alter this point ?

2)On my UV spectrum the absorbances of phenol and phenolate is different, is it because one of them are conjugate acid and other is conjugate base?

3)Finally a stupid question, Why is not right to wash the glassware with acetone ? I know it is a very strong and reactive solvent than phenol, but what properties makes it so ?

I am sorry if these question are stupid, but my prof didn't went over any of these stuff.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hello

Let me try to answer your questions in a brief basis.
  1. I didn't recall what isosbestic point is. If
 
Isosbestic point is a point on the UV spectrum where all speectrum intersects.

By the way , I think you are trying to post a link ? it didn't show up.

Thank you.
 
This message is not supposed to be like this, I inadvertently pushed the submit button, I think.
  1. The isosbestic point should be the signal belonging to the \displaystyle \pi system which does not essentially change. I don't think that a serious shift will be observed.
  2. Are you sure you've prepared your solutions with exactly same concentration? It is directly proportional to the absorbance maxima obtained.
  3. Acetone is UV-active chemical, so if it is let to dry inside the cell, some traces may be present in the second analysis, and will cause a serious intereference. Remember, we are talking about very dilute solutions; concentrations about \displaystyle 10^{-5}~M are required to see a nice spectrum.

A final note: These questions are not stupid, but your prof must have spent some more time to explain (at least, imply) these. Maybe he just wanted you to think and find them by yourself, I don't want to offend him.
 
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OOps, I´m sorry chem_tr, I was writing my post and I didn´t see that you had already posted. I agree with you.

But just a note, it theese cases, maximum absorbances of acid and basic forms can be different (at the same total concentrations). That´s just because "epsilon" coefficients of Lambert-Beer law (I´m sorry, I don´t know how to call it in English) of the two forms are different.
 
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No problem, it is nice to see somebody agrees with me :smile:
 
Thank you chem_tr and altered-gravity.
Yeah, after you explained it, I realized that he did mention something similar in his notes, I just didn't make the right connections. Now it makes a lot more sense !

thanks
 
Just an addition to Altered-Gravity's post:

\displaystyle \epsilon is known as molar absorption coefficient.
 

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