Ornithopter flight problem

  • Thread starter Afaq
  • Start date
  • #1
5
0

Main Question or Discussion Point

i have designed and fabricated an ornithopter with flapping frequency of 4Hz and span of 1m...... Actuation of wings is perfectly fine but it is unable to generate lift.....what are the possible amendments should i do to make it fly.....and it is a bit over weight i-e 700g....
 

Attachments

Answers and Replies

  • #2
662
307
Tie it to helium balloons.
 
  • #3
545
10
Its too heavy and the thing itself looks to big to generate lift without flexion of the wings
 
  • #4
545
10
But i am not an expert on unsteady low RE flight
 
  • #5
882
34
I'm no expert either, but I agree, the biggest problem is probably weight. But a close second is the wing dynamics. You're probably getting just as much downward thrust on the wing upstroke as you are in the downstroke. Any way you can allow/induce more flexion in the wings on the upstroke?
 
  • #6
545
10
You could probably easily do this just inserting a second joint about 1/3 down the way. Take a look at some photographs of birds that are a similar dimension. Also, what airfoil are you using?
 
  • #7
5
0
You could probably easily do this just inserting a second joint about 1/3 down the way. Take a look at some photographs of birds that are a similar dimension. Also, what airfoil are you using?
i am using parachute cloth without any airfoil.
 
  • #8
5
0
I'm no expert either, but I agree, the biggest problem is probably weight. But a close second is the wing dynamics. You're probably getting just as much downward thrust on the wing upstroke as you are in the downstroke. Any way you can allow/induce more flexion in the wings on the upstroke?
Yes, you are right weight is the biggest issue but i am unable to reduce the weight. As in the wings, i am using the parachute cloth which is heavy and is not generating required lift....suggest me the material for the wing.Thanx
 
  • #9
403
6
If you are producing equal amounts of vertical force on the upstroke and downstroke, and it looks like you probably are, then reducing the weight won't really matter. As was mentioned above you need to improve the wing design. It is looking pretty cool though, good luck!
 
  • #10
5
0
you need to improve the wing design.
you mean to say that the fabriction of designed wing is not good or the design itself.....how can i improve it??
 
  • #11
545
10
You need the wing to flex or deform the reason why lift is generated is because of the asymetric vorticies generated by different wing flexions on the upstroke and downstroke.
 
  • #12
882
34
Also, any heavy materials you may be using are a bad choice. Lightweight is the name of the game in all of aeronautics. Sometimes one might trade a little weight for some performance gain elsewhere (firepower, maneuverability, etc) but weight is always a major concern.

Many RC enthusiasts use shrink wrap plastic covering sheets to cover their wing and fuselage structures.
 
  • #13
5
0
for test flight of ornithopter i should throw it with head-wind or tail-wind ??
 
  • #14
67
0
i have designed and fabricated an ornithopter with flapping frequency of 4Hz and span of 1m...... Actuation of wings is perfectly fine but it is unable to generate lift.....what are the possible amendments should i do to make it fly.....and it is a bit over weight i-e 700g....
1] You need to arrange wings such that they should have some angle of attack.
2] Only straight up-down flapping won't work, give in little elliptical motion, i.e while downstroke they will come down via front perimeter of Circle and when they go up they will use back perimeter. Hint: Bird's doesn't just flap wings up and down, they use slightly circular motion.
3] The frame you used seems to be heavy, in reality you don't need it for proof of concept, you can get rid of it. Just attache your motor/gear to the rod.
4] Instead of cloth, you can use polythene, which will be way more lighter than cloth.
5] Instead of aluminium, you can use light weight wood e.g. balsa wood or similar or plastic straws together.
6] Implement all of the above points and your bird will start flying as you see other birds...

Best luck.
 
  • #15
51
4
Can someone tell me if there is any value (monetization possibility) in such models or are they strictly a curiosity? Because I see many people absolutely amazed by ornithopters, but I see no practical use for them.
 
  • #16
67
0
Can someone tell me if there is any value (monetization possibility) in such models or are they strictly a curiosity? Because I see many people absolutely amazed by ornithopters, but I see no practical use for them.
Toy industry. Hobby. Educational with practical.
Do you see people fly small helicopters indoor as well as outdoor? The value is just pure Joy and people pay for that.
 

Related Threads on Ornithopter flight problem

  • Last Post
3
Replies
63
Views
21K
  • Last Post
2
Replies
33
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
747
  • Last Post
Replies
3
Views
38K
  • Last Post
Replies
6
Views
970
  • Last Post
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • Last Post
Replies
18
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
6K
  • Last Post
Replies
14
Views
4K
Top