Palin is probably the nation's leading energy expert - McCain

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Now here is someone who understands energy. He has been on the right side of this issue since Palin was voting on gabarge collection issues.

TOM HARKIN: ON ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT

As President, Tom Harkin would put environmental protection and energy
independence on our national security agenda. Air and water pollution,
toxic waste and global warming, if unchecked, could damage our society
as much as any external enemy, short of nuclear war. Our dependence on
oil has already led us into war in the Persian Gulf and drained our
national treasury.

George Bush's answer is to open up our national preserves to drill
more oil, not to invest in energy efficient technologies. The Bush
administration wants to study global warming more, resisting all
international efforts to find solutions. So much for the environmental
President.

Tom Harkin would be the environmental president in word and deed. The
key goal of a Harkin administration will be sustainability. That means
ending pollution, resource depletion, and overpopulation, the three
gret threats to the health of our citizens and the security of our
nation.

Tom Harkin also knows that investing in our environment will
strengthen our economy and create new jobs and substantial export
markets. A national policy of environmental investment could create
more than 150,000 secure jobs over the next decade.

ENERGY

By 2015, even if we hold consumption at current rates, we will have to
import more than three-quarters of our oil if we stay on the Bush
drill and consume path. The firsit priority of a Harkin environmental
agenda is to put our nation on the path toward a clean, sustainable
energy future. To accomplish this goal we must:

* INCREASE OUR USE OF NATURAL GAS - In the short term, Tom Harkin
would reduce our dependence on imported oil and reduce air pollution
by burning more domestically-produced natural gas. The United States
has 35 years of likely natural gas reserves remaining, compared to
only 15 years of likely oil reserves. Motor vehicles powered by
natural gas produce much less smog and 15 percent less global warming
greenhouse gases than gasoline.

* IMPROVE ENERGY EFFICIENCY - Increased energy efficiency is one path
to reducing our dependence on oil and creating new jobs. Tom Harkin
would work with the auto industry to develop cleaner, more
fuel-efficient vehicles, and supports legislation to increase CAFE
standards. He would invest in more energy efficient homes, schools,
offices, and factories. A Harkin administration would support market
incentives for consumers to purchase clean, fuel efficient cars, homes
and appliances.

* SOLAR HYDROGEN AND FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES - For a clean, sustainable
energy future, Tom Harkin would expand research and development of new
technologies. Solar hydrogen generates no pollution, can be produced
entirely in the U.S., and would be inexhaustible, needing only sunligm
and water to provide energy for our future. Hydrogen is the fuel of
choice on the Space ShLlttle, with hydrogen powered fuel cells
providing electricity and water for our astronauts.


A Harkin administration would work to preserve our natural resources,
including our ancient forests, tropical rain forests, wetlands, and
nature's rich biodiversity. Tom Harkin believes we must develop plans
to preserve our natural resources and stop pollution, while minimizing
the impact on workers and private landowners.

* WETLANDS - Candidate Bush campaigned on the promise of "no net loss"
of our nation's wetlands. President Bush then changed the definition
and removed protection for nearly three quarters of the 100 million
acres of wetlands now remaining in the U.S. This must stop. We must
preserve our wetlands without undue burden on private property owners.

* ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE - George Bush's answer to the energy
crisis is opening ANWR to oil rigs, even though at current U.S.
consumption rates ANWR would provide only 200 days supply of oil. Tom
Harkin would preserve the coastal plain of ANWR and make it a
wilderness area.

* PROTECTING ENDANGERED SPECIES - Nearly 7,500 plant and animal
species become extinct each year. Tom Harkin wants to preserve those
species. He supports reauthorization of the Endangered Species Act to
protect plants and animals on the verge of extinction. Tom Harkin has
also worked to preserve our national forests and prevent damaging road
building and logging.

* GLOBAL WARMING - Scientists agree that carbon dioxide content is
increasing in the earth's atmcsphere as a result of human pollution,
and that carbon dioxide along with methane and other "greenhouse"
gases warm the earth by trapping the infrared radiation. While we
cannot be sure of it's crtcome, we can do much today to reduce the
likelihood of global warming. A Harkin administration ould take a
leadership role in setting global standards for reducing carbon
dioxide, inc!uding cutting U.S. ernrssions by a fifth over the next
15 years.

* POLLUTION - In addition to curbing greenhouse gases, the Harkin
administration will move vigorously to reduce air, soil, and water
pollution. Provisions of the Clean Air Act, as amended, to reduce acid
rain, urban smog, carbon monoxide, and other toxic air pollution will
be strictly enforced. Tom Harkin will work with Congress to improve
water quality, to reduce solid waste through recycling, composting and
source reduction, and to reduce loss of our nation's rich top soil.

* POPULATION - The earth's population doubled from 190 to 1987, and is
expected to reach 6 billion by the end of the century. This growth
will further deplete our resources and further burden our environment.
Tom Harkin kr.ws that a global environment program must include a
program to slow population growth.
http://world.std.com/obi/Harkin/Environment.txt [Broken]

The Bush referred to here is Bush I. That is from 1992.

Harkin is also on the cutting edge:
The potential of algae as an energy source has a lot of people excited, including Iowa senator Tom Harkin. Recently, Harkin was in Shenandoah, Iowa to meet with representatives from Green Plains Renewable Energy Inc. and Shenandoah Chamber and Industry Association Director Gregg Connell at the chamber's office to hear an update on GPRE's plan.

"As chairman of the Agricultural Committee I've put a lot of emphasis on the Farm Bill on building more cellulose ethanol plants, and now I've become aware of algae and how we can get diesel fuel basically out of algae," said Harkin after the meeting. "I've looked at different companies around the United States and we've got testimony about this, and quite frankly the promise of growing algae, which only takes sunlight and CO2, the oils that you get from them for diesel is just phenomenal.

Let's hope more such influential folks all over the world start getting aware of algae oil and get more investments pouring into this area
http://www.oilgae.com/blog/2008/08/iowa-senator-tom-harkin-visits-for.html [Broken]

Harkin has probably forgotten more about energy that Palin has ever learned. And for the most part, the Democrats have always been on the right side of this issue. The Republicans just keep digging [or drilling] the hole deeper. If we had listened to Harkin sixteen years ago, we would be well out of this mess by now. Enough is enough. Vote Democratic. Vote Obama!
 
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That's why I wish Richardson had made it further, he had the best environmental policy of them all (which to me is really important).
 
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So her statement was meaningless and mis-leading by stating that Alaska could provide "complete crude-oil independence". So, is she dishonest or mis-informed?
How dare you question the leading energy expert in the US!!! And she shot a moose! (heavy sarcasm)
 
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That's why I wish Richardson had made it further, he had the best environmental policy of them all (which to me is really important).
He was my early favorite, binzing, some..two years?...ago.
 
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PF is a serious forum.
Most of it, anyway.
So, if this thread is not worthy of PF, it should be locked.
Agreed.
 
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This is your response to McCains statement? Come on Russ, you have to admit that this must be one of the dumbest thing that a politician has ever said. In fact it goes beyond dumb and rises to such as level that one has to question his sanity.
At face value, it's pretty bad. But since we can be pretty certain this was an off-the-cuff remark, that just makes it a misspeak. People misspeak all the time and most of them sound spectacularly bad. It's not delusional or insane or any other of the things being thrown around - it's just human.

Here's a list of a some Obama gaffes (and mention of a couple of the most famous others), and some of them are real doozies:
Obama said:
“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
“We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
*Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
http://www.webloggin.com/barack-obama-misspeaks-from-the-democrats-perpetual-gaffe-machine/ [Broken]

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/barack-obama-gaffe-machine/

Most famous politician gaffe? "P-O-T-A-T-O-E"

Those are really, really stupid. So should we conclude from them that Obama is really, really stupid?

The commentary on that first blog isn't bad, though it goes too far. Obama is human and he misspeaks like everyone else. But they are right that there is a double standard both in the media and visible here: McCain must be perfect. Every gaffe is evidence of stupidity or insanity. But Obama's are just let go. Worse, though, is that Obama isn't even held accountable for the calculated lies. Hillary got hit hard for hers (the Bosnian sniper one unleashed a flurry of op-eds), but Obama has not. Yet Obama is every bit the story teller that Hillary is, and like Hillary, if the story doesn't work on it's own, change it to make it better! There was some mention of the nonexistent Life story/photo and some about flipping some dates to connect his parents to the civil rights movement, but neither of those were hit that hard. But like Hillary's sniper story, it is tough to accept that they were mistakes of recolection, since they were prepared remarks - real thought went into crafting those stories and speeches have speech-writers and books have editors and fact checkers.
 
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Russ said:
At face value, it's pretty bad. But since we can be pretty certain this was an off-the-cuff remark, that just makes it a misspeak. People misspeak all the time and most of them sound spectacularly bad. It's not delusional or insane or any other of the things being thrown around - it's just human.
I can see from the Obama quotes where it was he misspoke and what he was likely trying to say.
I'll give you that McCain misspoke but just what was he trying to say?
I'd bet money that my Governator has had more experience dealing with energy management, policies, and legislation than Palin has. I can't imagine in what respect she can be called an 'expert' on energy. So what do you think he was trying to say that may have actually bore any resemblence to reality? I doubt any one here thinks that either of them believe she is the foremost energy expert in the country or that they really intended to pass it off as truth but believe that he was likely (once again) making a lame attempt at inflating her credentials and stuck his foot in his mouth.
 
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These days it looks like Palin is as much an expert on energy as McCain is an expert on the economy.

As the country reaps the whirlwind of McCain's career as a DE-regulator, now he discovers religion on regulation?

Why should the county have to suffer through an energy crisis, born of the shortsighted Palin manta of drilling, drilling, gas pipeline, and more drilling and wait for her to come to a conclusion that if acted on now might serve to secure the US, instead of drive it toward a precipice?
 
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At face value, it's pretty bad.
Unfortunately, McCain's statements are just sounding senile. Certainly Palin is not any more qualified on energy than anyone that reads energy reports and as far as that goes, I have little confidence that she understands all that much of what she reads in any reports.

Her espousal of pipelines and drilling and savaging the arctic environment look to be self-serving for her constituents. Meanwhile they sip at the oil trough to the tune of about $7B in state revenues this year and still go begging to Washington for as much pork barrel as they can cart away. This doesn't make her an energy expert, so much as just a chiseler advancing her career on the crest of whatever popularity she can buy from gouging the oil companies and begging from Washington. This is not responsible stewardship of our resources. It's purchased populism.
 
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At face value, it's pretty bad. But since we can be pretty certain this was an off-the-cuff remark, that just makes it a misspeak. People misspeak all the time and most of them sound spectacularly bad. It's not delusional or insane or any other of the things being thrown around - it's just human.

Here's a list of a some Obama gaffes (and mention of a couple of the most famous others), and some of them are real doozies:
“In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.

“We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.

*Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
Typically, the Obama campaign follows up and explained what caused the gaffe.

1. Obama meant to say something like 10 people died ... thousands of homes destroyed - it got mangled up . Obviously, Obama wasn't trying to dupe the people into thinking there were thrice as many deaths in KS as there had been during 9/11.

2. This one is a blatant and shameful misquote and doesn't deserve explaining. I guess that's what you get if your news source is Michelle Malkin!

3. Watch the youtube video. Obama starts to say fifty... and midway through, tries to correct that to forty seven - it comes out as "fifty ... seven". Note the long pause in the video between "fifty" and "seven".

http://www.webloggin.com/barack-obama-misspeaks-from-the-democrats-perpetual-gaffe-machine/ [Broken]

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/barack-obama-gaffe-machine/
Textbook examples of the kinds of sources that do not pass muster in the P&WA subforum.

Most famous politician gaffe? "P-O-T-A-T-O-E"
That probably wasn't a gaffe. It was more likely that Dan Quayle really did not knowing how to spell the word. But the Republican crowd here love to have intellectual gadflies running the country so long as they're good company over a barbeque or to go rabbit hunting with.

The commentary on that first blog isn't bad, though it goes too far. Obama is human and he misspeaks like everyone else. But they are right that there is a double standard both in the media and visible here: McCain must be perfect.
This is completely unsubstantiated and sounds like hogwash. A couple months ago, there was a report by The Center for Media and Public Affairs, which showed that McCain was getting more positive media coverage than Obama. But if Michelle Malkin says that's not true, who am I to object?

So, in any case, what did McCain mean when he said Palin "knows more about energy than probably any one else in the United States of America"? I haven't heard any kind of explanation from the campaign. Have you?
 
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So, in any case, what did McCain mean when he said Palin "knows more about energy than probably any one else in the United States of America"? I haven't heard any kind of explanation from the campaign. Have you?
Yes, is he lying about the qualifications of someone who could be the President; someone that we will have known for 60 days at election time?
 
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Yes, is he lying about the qualifications of someone who could be the President; someone that we will have known for 60 days at election time?

You'll be singing a different tune after you hear this!

Sara Palin after being asked how she would help keep any new domestic oil produced in the United States said:
Oil of coal, of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, y’know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first.
 
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McCain seems to have upset Spain now. It appears he thinks Spain is in Latin America or at least their PM is Latin American

McCain 'confused' over Spain PM
By Lourdes Heredia
BBC News, Washington

US Republican presidential candidate John McCain has raised suspicions in Spain that he thinks the country's prime minister is Latin American.

Asked by a Miami radio station if he would meet PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, Mr McCain spoke of his record with leaders in "the hemisphere".

His answer led some to suggest he thought Mr Zapatero was Latin American.

Mr McCain's campaign team denied any gaffe, but did say the candidate had refused to commit to a meeting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7624143.stm
 
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McCain could have chosen someone better, BUT, it would have just been two Republican white guys. Ho-hum.
Umm - no. There are any number of women in the GOP who McCain could have chosen, and they are eminently more qualified than Palin. Of course, they wouldn't appeal to the extreme right.
 
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Umm - no. There are any number of women in the GOP who McCain could have chosen, and they are eminently more qualified than Palin. Of course, they wouldn't appeal to the extreme right.
Yeah, he could have chosen Carly Fiorina even.
 
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This is apparently a matter of your belief. Your definitions as regard abortion and conception may be faith based and not necessarily universal nor accepted by the Supreme Court as a basis in Law.
Well, it hasn't anything to do with belief for me or faith, it has to do with science. Arguing whether an embryo in first trimester being aborted is murder, I can see that being debatable. But voting to support live birth abortions, claiming that doing so otherwise infringes on "a woman's "right" to choose," is pure murder to me. It is a child by then, with arms, legs, and a brain. The Supreme Court may claim it is still a "fetus" and thus not a "human" but to me that is a nonsensical argument. Killing a human life is killing a human life.
 
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I've withdrawn my comments because I realize this is off the thread topic.

Before carrying these comments too much farther afield, if you want to raise these issues elsewhere, feel free to start a thread.
 
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I think it's time to remove this discussion from this thread to somewhere else. This thread is about McCain's representation that Palin is somehow an energy expert. I realize that I was bated into responding off topic, but I voluntarily removed my posts, because this was fast becoming a multi-front discussion about far too many things not related to Palin and her limited experience in energy.
 

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