Palin pick an insult to our intelligence

[mgb_phys]

She never took charge of anything. And she back stabbed a friend to get ahead in politics,

Sounds over-qualified to me.

 

[Proton Soup]

hey guys, no need to argue here. i think we can agree that most politicians are nitwits with above-average social skills.

 

[Astronuc]

Texas evangelicals helped effort to stop Palin 'troopergate' probe
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090207/pl_mcclatchy/3162967

JUNEAU - New state gift disclosures show it cost Liberty Legal Institute and the two law firms working with it $185,000 to represent six Alaska legislators in an unsuccessful lawsuit to halt their colleagues' "troopergate" investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin acted improperly in firing the state's public safety director.

The legislators listed a $25,000 gift of services from the Texas -based Liberty Legal Institute . Liberty is the legal arm of the Free Market Foundation , which is associated with evangelical leader James Dobson's Focus on the Family, and lists its guiding principles as limited government and promotion of Judeo-Christian values.

The lawmakers also disclosed a $120,000 gift of services from Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP , a national firm that appeared at hearings on behalf of Liberty Legal.

Anchorage attorney Kevin Clarkson represented the six legislators in the case as well, and turned to Liberty Legal for its constitutional expertise. The lawmakers reported a $40,000 gift of services from Clarkson's firm.

That brings the total bill for their lawsuit to $185,000 .

. . . .

 

[LowlyPion]

And for all the good it did.

Contempt charges are filed by Senate

TODD PALIN, OTHERS: No punishment urged in troopergate matter.

By SEAN COCKERHAM
scockerham@adn.com

Published: February 6th, 2009 11:31 AM
Last Modified: February 7th, 2009 10:40 AM

JUNEAU -- The Alaska Senate voted Friday to find Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, and nine Palin aides in contempt for failing to show up when ordered by subpoena to testify in the Legislature's "Troopergate" investigation of the governor.

... But the Senate resolution also said there should be no punishment because Todd Palin and the others did eventually submit written statements to the investigator, Steve Branchflower.

The resolution passed on a vote of 16 to 1 -- with six Republicans and 10 Democrats voting for it.

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/681638.html

 

[LowlyPion]

There goes the family values candidate:

Gov. Palin's daughter's, boyfriend break up
... Levi Johnston told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he and Bristol Palin mutually decided "a while ago" to end their relationship. The 19-year-old Johnston declined to elaborate.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/719385.html

This quote from the Star:

Now's Levi's sister, Mercede is telling all exclusively to Star and the picture she paints of life in Wasilla, Alaska is not a pretty one. Bristol, 18, has virtually cut Levi out of the life of their two-month-old son Tripp.

"Levi tries to visit Tripp every single day, but Bristol makes it nearly impossible. She tells him he can't take the baby to our house because she doesn't want him around 'white trash'!" Bristol won't even allow him to watch the baby for a few hours -- unless he's babysitting!

http://www.starmagazine.com/bristol_palin_levi_split/news/15341

This would have nothing to do with little Tripp's Granma getting caught dealing Oxycontin now would it?

 

[Astronuc]

Star Magazine?! :uhh: :yuck:

Something tells me that it's not an Astrophysics journal.

LP - come back from the Dark Side!

 

[Evo]

My feel is that Palin's daughter and this guy had no use for each before she found out she was pregnant, but had to "appear" to be lovey dovey for her mom. Didn't they have to track that poor guy down? Uhm, yes they did.

 

[LowlyPion]

Star Magazine?! :uhh: :yuck:

Something tells me that it's not an Astrophysics journal.

LP - come back from the Dark Side!

I know it's not exactly a peer reviewed tabloid, but I couldn't resist the local color aspect of the account, and well ... I must confess my flesh is weak about such gossip.

The truth be told, I actually emailed the ADN newsroom some time earlier with the link to the Star article before they published the posted account at ADN.

 

[Astronuc]

My feel is that Palin's daughter [Bristol] and this guy had no use for each before she found out she was pregnant, . . .

well except for some interaction before she got pregnant.

I think she can do a lot better than Levi.

 

[NeoDevin]

I think she can do a lot better than Levi.

But after seeing her cut Levi off from his son, what (sensible) guy would go for her?

 

[LowlyPion]

I think she can do a lot better than Levi.

Possibly, but the gene pool there in Alaska may be a bit limited because of the smaller population.

 

[BarackZero]

Yes, and the wonderful Democrats everywhere are supposed to be compliments to our "intelligence"?

No argument propounded by Democrats and leftists is more superficial than the Argument From Authority.

No argument is more beloved by Democrats than their own pretensions of intellectualism, while they revile all those not in agreement with their leftist dogmas.

Democrats may as well say, "Yes, we're smarter than you, and because we're smarter than you morons, we're better than you because everything we smarter folks say is right, and everything you rubes say is wrong."

Sarah Palin did not flunk out of Vanderbilt University. No, that was Al Gore.

Sarah Palin was not kicked out of Harvard University. That was Ted Kennedy.

And if you think Bill Clinton was such an "intellectual," perhaps serial sexual predation and rape and pathological lying correlate to "intellect."

I would rather have a president who is as simple and honest as Harry Truman, than a so-called "intellectual" like Bill Clinton, who disgraced himself and did not have the decency to resign.

 

[NeoDevin]

BarackZero; Do you actually have anything even resembling a coherent argument for any of the topics you've posted in? Or just irrational hatred of Obama, and (unsupported) worshipping of the free market as the solution to all of life's problems?

 

[BarackZero]

BarackZero; Do you actually have anything even resembling a coherent argument for any of the topics you've posted in? Or just irrational hatred of Obama, and (unsupported) worshipping of the free market as the solution to all of life's problems?

Do you have anything specific to discuss? Or do you prefer to make unsupported criticisms of me personally?

Quote me, and show my errors. "Come now, let us reason together."

Is that too much to ask of you?

North Korea does stunningly well without the "free market," n'est-ce pas?
And Zimbabwe, don't forget the Nirvana of Robert Mugabe. It's at the bottom of the world's poorest countries. I mean, if such things matter to you...

 

[LowlyPion]

Yes, and the wonderful Democrats everywhere are supposed to be compliments to our "intelligence"?

How about supplying something that shows that this Palin woman has the intellectual horsepower to manage more than turning an omelet or siphoning PAC money for travel and wardrobe?

Drill baby drill seems to be the level of policy grasp she commands.

When you can show she is more than a Wasilla Hillbilly, you know like show some thoughtful national policy initiatives or proposals, demonstrate a bit more grasp than memorizing slogans, instead of her current wink and duck low profile tactic, then bring it around and trot it about the paddock.

 

[BarackZero]

How about supplying something that shows that this Palin woman has the intellectual horsepower to manage more than turning an omelet or siphoning PAC money for travel and wardrobe?

Drill baby drill seems to be the level of policy grasp she commands.

When you can show she is more than a Wasilla Hillbilly, you know like show some thoughtful national policy initiatives or proposals, demonstrate a bit more grasp than memorizing slogans, instead of her current wink and duck low profile tactic, then bring it around and trot it about the paddock.

1. You seem to be confusing intellectualism with common sense, with the ability to be an effective leader. It is a horribly common mistake, thinking that intellect is the sine qua non.

Intellect can be used for good or evil, and often the latter. Nobody seems to consider that it is better to be good and mediocre, than brilliant and very bad.

2. Here is the greater point: Sarah Palin was not elected. How many times have we heard from Democrats "We're in power now." "We won." Sarah Palin will not be making any decisions of national importance. Her "policy" is as immaterial as the arguments maligning her intelligence.

Really, really smart Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick, got oral sex from Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office, turned down Sudan's two offers to send Osama bin Laden to us, pardoned 138 convicted felons, broke his "tax cut" promise, dodged the draft, and vetoed the Congressional Ban on Partial Birth Abortions.

And there is something there for Democrats to be proud of? Something that speaks well of "intellectualism"?

 

[LowlyPion]

You seem to be confusing intellectualism with common sense, with the ability to be an effective leader.

I think you are hard pressed to invest Palin with any appreciable measure of either.

Putin rears his head over Alaska air space is her grasp of foreign policy?

Perhaps you are the one confusing media popularity with any ability other than creating a sensation that gets attention? By that standard Palin is more on a par with OctoMom - not even up to the level of Limbaugh, whose thoughtful positions are apparently centered more about his own calculus of commercial interest than the interests of the Nation.

 

[Unknot]

Do you have anything specific to discuss? Or do you prefer to make unsupported criticisms of me personally?

Quote me, and show my errors. "Come now, let us reason together."

Is that too much to ask of you?

North Korea does stunningly well without the "free market," n'est-ce pas?
And Zimbabwe, don't forget the Nirvana of Robert Mugabe. It's at the bottom of the world's poorest countries. I mean, if such things matter to you...

If economics worked in the way that someone looked at few countries, ignore many results of government intervention, and implement the system that theoretically fits the wealthiest country in the world.

You must reason first you know. I read some of your posts and they talk like a headless chicken anyways. This is not what you call ad hominem.

 

[Karl G.]

Of course, I grew ired of Palin calling Obama a socialist, weath redistributor, etc, when she taxed oil companies and redistributed their wealth the the people of Alaska.

 

[Proton Soup]

Of course, I grew ired of Palin calling Obama a socialist, weath redistributor, etc, when she taxed oil companies and redistributed their wealth the the people of Alaska.

why, whose oil was it to begin with?

 

[Karl G.]

why, whose oil was it to begin with?

The oil companies! If they own the land on the oil is located at, they own the oil!

 

[turbo]

The oil companies! If they own the land on the oil is located at, they own the oil!

Normally, oil companies don't own land like that. They buy leases from the government and start extracting oil. It's lots cheaper that way.

 

[Astronuc]

The oil companies! If they own the land on the oil is located at, they own the oil!

Not necessarily. One can own land, but not the mineral rights, which is often the case west of the Mississippi River. In many parts of the west, the US government retained the mineral rights.

 

[Karl G.]

thanks for correcting my error ... learn something new every day

 

[Astronuc]

thanks for correcting my error ... learn something new every day

Many people do not realize this, and that is why it is important to read the deed/title to one's land in order to find out what is included in the land. I have the mineral rights to my property, which prevents anyone coming on my land to mine it or drill for oil or gas.

In Texas, Colorado, and other western states, people are sometime surprised to find oil or gas exploration sites on their property or on a property adjacent to theirs. I've seen oil drilling structures between houses in the middle of a city neighborhood. I'm glad it wasn't mine.

In some cases, the US government did grant mineral rights to corporations, e.g. the railroads as an incentive to develop their rights of way. The history of the western US is quite interesting. Sometimes it's worth a visit to state or federal archives to look at the legal documents, contracts, mergers and acquisitions of corporations, particularly the railroads. It's interesting what one finds.

 

[Karl G.]

Come to think of it, I remember when I was 5, an oil company was looking for deposits on our land (I live in Texas). But at that age, I thought they were planting bombs on our land, lol.

 

[turbo]

Come to think of it, I remember when I was 5, an oil company was looking for deposits on our land (I live in Texas). But at that age, I thought they were planting bombs on our land, lol.

They were. My former brother-in-law used to do this for a living. He'd place charges, and the mapping companies would position large trucks (with extendable outriggers with telescoping lifts and seismic sensors in the bodies) at strategic locations. The charges would be set off, and the data from the sensors in the trucks would be used to create 3-D maps of the stuff under the ground. Usually, they were looking for salt-domes to tap for natural gas and underlying oil. This is very old technology, and I don't know what has replaced it, these days.

 

[Karl G.]

Interesting...

 

[Evo]

Not necessarily. One can own land, but not the mineral rights, which is often the case west of the Mississippi River. In many parts of the west, the US government retained the mineral rights.

In Texas anywhere there is even a hint of oil, the oil companies own the mineral rights.

When I bought my first house near Clear Lake Texas, I actually bought the land from Exxon. I had to agree that any time they wanted, they could erect a derrick on my land and drill and there wasn't a thing I could do about it.

 

[Astronuc]

In Texas anywhere there is even a hint of oil, the oil companies own the mineral rights.

When I bought my first house near Clear Lake Texas, I actually bought the land from Exxon. I had to agree that any time they wanted, they could erect a derrick on my land and drill and there wasn't a thing I could do about it.

When I lived in College Station, there were a couple of neighborhoods in which an oil rig was placed on a lot between two houses. I think in one case, a house was actually demolished to put in the rig and subsequent gas well.

If we opened the windows at night in our apartment, one could hear the noise from one of the rigs as the pipes for the drill string were clanging. I can't imagine what it was like in the neighborhood or next door.

South of I-610, there were a lot of oil fields. I used to drive with my dad down to Brazoria each Sunday, and we passed a lot of active wells.

 

[Werg22]

Evo, with your eagerness to lock threads that have gone off topic on this board, one may wonder why you haven't done so with this one, which has so obviously gone off topic.

 

[Evo]

Evo, with your eagerness to lock threads that have gone off topic on this board, one may wonder why you haven't done so with this one, which has so obviously gone off topic.

It's the 3 post rule. If a thread has 3 sequential on topic posts and doesn't degrade into a flamewar the topic then becomes open. Many Op hijack their own threads once the original topic has run it's course.

 

[chemisttree]

This thread is soooo '08. Can't we all just MoveOn(.org)?

Really? 64 pages of bile and hatred for this woman, mostly by a handful of posters. A real feather in our cap!

 

[Evo]

The thread is officially dead.