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Part of the problem with UFO reports

  1. Dec 19, 2005 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17615463^912,00.html

    There may not have been any flying saucers but it wasn't a hoax. The report released was official and was later claimed to be a misidentification of a [project Mogul] balloon.
     
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  3. Dec 19, 2005 #2

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    Which brings up another interesting point. If it was a Mogul balloon - a project which was highly classified at the time - then why would they release a photo of the balloon with the super secret RADAR reflectors in view?
     
  4. Dec 20, 2005 #3

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    http://www.newwest.net/index.php/main/article/4939/

    Actually, the disclaimer was issued the next day. First it was claimed that it was a hexagonal saucer attached to a balloon, then they claimed it was a weather balloon, and now they claim it was a project Mogul balloon.
    See page two of the GAO report.
    http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/ufo00032.pdf

    It is also argued that the bodies allegedly seen were actually test dummies dropped from planes about three years later.
     
  5. Dec 21, 2005 #4

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    Maybe it was wrong of the obit to label a hoax, but you haven't shown it wasn't a hoax. All the confused A-covering doesn't prove that at all, in fact it rather supports the idea that several officers were having a little (perhaps drunken) fun with that report and got in over their heads.
     
  6. Dec 21, 2005 #5

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    I think the investigation by the general accounting office rules this out; not to mention the fifty or so witnesses who have gone on record.
     
  7. Dec 21, 2005 #6

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    And even though I have never been big on the Roswell stuff, I do have to wonder why the balloon, and more importantly, the RADAR reflectors found in storage in the archives in Washington match that shown in the news photo the next day, which according the military [now] was highly classified.

    Edit: I guess the debris at the Nat. Archives must have been a plant to hide Mogul. So in spite of the goverment's claim, we must see a weather balloon and reflector, not a Mogul balloon and reflector, in the news photo released the following day.
     
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  8. Jan 11, 2006 #7
    "Thanks to Haut's brief but shocking press release..."

    excuse me, this was not 'Haut's'=as if he 'made this up' (which is somewhat suggested here and often implied by 'debunkers'.

    This is an extremely interesting point=who (and honestly why) actually issued this?
    Clearly "base commander Col. William Blanchard dictated a news release about a recovered flying saucer and ordered Haut to issue it."

    Blanchard was the commander of 509th at Roswell-that's atomic bomb headquarters!-the man 'knew' what he was doing-this wasn't some hick outpost-and Blanchard gets 4 more promotions rather than 'canned' for 'leaking or drinking'-curious that no one was 'reprimanded' for this?-it's a job well done

    Is it sensible the Commander wasn't in the loop as to the Mogul baloon?
    Brigadier General Thomas J. Dubose -Gen Ramey's chief of staff-sez he got the order to 'cover-up' from Gen. Clemence McMullen/DC - that this was "above Top Secret" ((so none of these guys were 'in the loop' for Mogul?))

    I can't believe the Colonel would have released this info without checking with the chain of command first--

    Personally, it all makes more sense to me that this was 'disinformation' to freak out the Russians to begin with...

    Lt. Walter Haut was a bombardier/navigator on more than 20 bombing missions over Japan.


    Source: Free New Mexican - Santa Fe, New Mexico

    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/36549.html

    December 18, 2005

    Lt. Walter Haut, Spokesman Who Announced Wreckage Of Flying
    Saucer In Roswell, Died At 83

    By Associated Press
     
  9. Jan 14, 2006 #8
    The idea that professional AF officers would mistake ANY part of mogul for a flying saucer is incredible. Or any part of anything made on this planet for that matter.
     
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