The universe must either have: A start and an end. A start and no end. No start and an end. No start and no end Or a combination thereof. I believe there are limits to complexity, I believe complexity to be a product of thought, if something appears complex its yet to be understood in its simple form. I believe complexity to proportionality related to scale, a recent study on brains found that if they where to grow any bigger they would actually start to become simpler rather than more complex. Its like the run up the Iraq war, there where 4 positions one could have: Pro-war - appropriate action was war driven. Pro-peace - appropriate action was peace driven. Anti-war - war was not appropriate driving action. Anti-peace - peace was not appropriate driving action. They are all variations on dualities, the general abstraction is the boolean matrix: true:true true:false false:true false:false There are other patterns in nature like the similaraties between a flock of birds and a school of fish, symmetry, daulities. There are two types of thought: Male, linear, sequential, cause and effect thinking, it can be expressed as: A male impregnates a female to create a child. Female, circular, stepping, set of conditions thinking, it can be expressed as: A male and female join together and a child comes into being. I mean look at numbers: Male - 1,2,3,4,5,6 Female - odd,even,odd,even,odd,even Now look back at where we started: A start and an end - male:male A start and no end - male:female No start and an end - female:male No start and no end - female:female If you examine two objects there is always a hidden 3rd object, the relationship between the two objects. Horizons dont really exist, there is only the earth and the sky, the hidden third object here is the observer, it is only in the observers mind the horizon exists, however the observer will see or percieve it as if it was real. As humans, we move 'around' or 'through' space, think about that, move 'around' or 'through' space, space that is already there.