Peanut butter warning

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I love peanut butter, but so far my brand is not effected. Its been in the news here for several weeks, and most people have not been buying commercial products made with it. Its good to remind folks not to eat those packaged cookies and candies.
 
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I ate the peanut butter crackers that they have recalled. Is that why I was sick for a week recently? Some chat regulars might remember my immodium use. :grumpy:
 
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Oh yes, I remember, if you have any more toss them out.
 
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I ate the peanut butter crackers that they have recalled. Is that why I was sick for a week recently? Some chat regulars might remember my immodium use. :grumpy:

By the cringe Evo, why did you eat the recalled crackers, did you mean you ate all the one's recalled locally?
 
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By the cringe Evo, why did you eat the recalled crackers, did you mean you ate all the one's recalled locally?
I was really busy at work, so instead of getting lunch, I just got a package of peanut butter crackers from the vending machine. I did this 3 times that week. Nausea and diarrhea all week.
 
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I was really busy at work, so instead of getting lunch, I just got a package of peanut butter crackers from the vending machine. I did this 3 times that week. Nausea and diarrhea all week.


You should look after yourself better and take a packed lunch, those vending machines are just the biggest rob dogs.
 
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You should look after yourself better and take a packed lunch, those vending machines are just the biggest rob dogs.
I was too tired after work to do anything. :frown: Then I got sick and was too sick to make lunch, so I bought more crackers. I was wondering why I was sick all week, that could explain it.
 
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So how dangerous is Salmonella?
You get these announcements- all peanut butter may be infected, or all eggs may have traces of Salmonella.
Assuming you aren't on chemo or are a boy in a bubble do you care?
How much Salmonella does it really take to make you ill?

I've never had food poisoning beyond the, having to put the extractor fan in the bathroom level - and I can't believe that after this number of years of eating anything left in the fridge and general grad student living, I have never come in contact with it!
 
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I think it all comes down to people being to clean these days, they just do not build up reistance to bugs.
 
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Some people have more delicate digestive systems. Its alright if you have a cast iron stomach but obviously not for the 6 people who have died.
 
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but obviously not for the 6 people who have died.
It said 'may be a factor in 6 deaths', that can just mean a 90year old with congestive heart failure who died of pneumonia also had traces of salmonella - sad but not a killer epidemic.

I wasn't so much bragging about a cast iron stomach I was just wondering about the real vs perceived risk.
Any outbreak in a commercial food operation is well publicised and results in a massive recall.
Presumably standards there are much higher than in your kitchen at home, I have never worn a hairnet to make breakfast.
Are there a large number of food poisoning deaths from cooking at home that don't make the news or is there some part of cooking on an industrial scale that makes food poisoning worse.
 
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It said 'may be a factor in 6 deaths', that can just mean a 90year old with congestive heart failure who died of pneumonia also had traces of salmonella - sad but not a killer epidemic.

I wasn't so much bragging about a cast iron stomach I was just wondering about the real vs perceived risk.
Any outbreak in a commercial food operation is well publicised and results in a massive recall.
Presumably standards there are much higher than in your kitchen at home, I have never worn a hairnet to make breakfast.
Are there a large number of food poisoning deaths from cooking at home that don't make the news or is there some part of cooking on an industrial scale that makes food poisoning worse.
Well, for me, I was sick, but not "go to the doctor" sick. It was strange that the symptoms would seem to ease and then hit hard over a period of a week. I took off a day and a half due to it, the rest of the time I wish I'd taken off. I polished off a large box of immodium. Ingesting small quantities over several days of something that made me ill makes sense in retrospect. It's probably coincidence, no telling how long ago those crackers were made. :tongue2:

According to this, it sounds like symptoms from salmonella are more of a nuisance than serious for otherwise healthy people.

http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/dfbmd/disease_listing/salmonellosis_gi.html
 
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I can only say about where i work, a lot of our stuff uses fresh cream, food poisoning complaints are very few, out of every batch of products a few are sent for lab analysis,
this is just to say the product was okay after leaving our factory.
 
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I know how it feels Evo. Sorry. I bet it's the last time you eat from that machine again.
 
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Eww, I just had some peanut butter M&Ms today. I hope those weren't contaminated.
 
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I thought it was about the Atheists Nightmare, a jar of peanut butter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504
 
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Make your own PB, it's super easy and it tastes better. Buy 1-2 lbs of peanuts w/ or without shells. Shelling them takes a long time, but if you want super fresh PB, get ones w/ shells. Put them into a food processor like a cuisinart and chop them up finely until it becomes a big sticky mass, sort of like a thick ice cream. Add oil slowly in portions, which can be vegetable or peanut oil, and add until you get whatever consistency you desire. Add a pinch of salt. Add as much honey as you want to sweeten it until it pleases your taste. Blend further.

That's it.
 
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So how dangerous is Salmonella?
You get these announcements- all peanut butter may be infected, or all eggs may have traces of Salmonella.
Assuming you aren't on chemo or are a boy in a bubble do you care?
How much Salmonella does it really take to make you ill?

I've never had food poisoning beyond the, having to put the extractor fan in the bathroom level - and I can't believe that after this number of years of eating anything left in the fridge and general grad student living, I have never come in contact with it!
I have a friend who is fond of saying, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

FDA report finds multiple problems at peanut plant
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_he_me/med_salmonella_outbreak [Broken]
WASHINGTON – Roaches, mold, and signs of a leaking roof were among numerous problems federal inspectors uncovered at a Georgia peanut plant implicated in the national salmonella outbreak, the government said Wednesday.

Food and Drug Administration inspectors noted ten separate problem areas in the report, which the agency posted on the Internet.

The report also documented that the plant's owner, Peanut Corp. of America, found salmonella in a dozen internal tests of its products during the past two years. But managers at the plant shipped the peanut butter and peanut paste anyway after getting new tests. The FDA said the company did not initially disclose the first tests to investigators trying to solve the current salmonella outbreak.

Peanut products initially found to be contaminated with salmonella were shipped as recently as last September. Health officials started picking up signals of the outbreak a month later.

. . . .
I've known some people who became pretty ill from salmonella or E. coli contamination.
 
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It seems that the peanut processing plant has a bad food-safety record and has repeatedly shipped products that were contaminated. In some instances, it appears that after getting positive results for salmonella they "shopped around" until they got a null result, and then illegally shipped the products.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090128/ts_nm/us_salmonella_usa;_ylt=AizIz5lqLHanZlWk5KVV4Hus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJjcWZwanZmBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwMTI4L3VzX3NhbG1vbmVsbGFfdXNhBHBvcwMxOARzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawN1c3BlYW51dHBsYW4- [Broken]

Edit: Ooh! Leapfrogged by Astro! Need to update (new posts) before posting.
 
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That makes this criminal. People are going to go to jail over this and possibly even be tried for murder. It's neglegent homicide. Second degree murder, like firing a gun on New Year's that happens to kill someone. http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html
China has sentenced people to death for knowingly selling contaminated/adulterated food. In the US, CEO's who did the same will probably get time in a country-club "prison". I hope not.
 
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CEO's who did the same will probably get time in a country-club "prison".
I doubt it, they might prosecute some lab tech whose job it was to test batches - but no CEO is going to be dumb enough to send a memo giving these instructions.
 
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AP Exclusive: Bad peanuts found before outbreak
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_go_ot/med_salmonella_outbreak [Broken]
WASHINGTON – Weeks before the earliest signs of a national salmonella outbreak that now has been traced to peanuts from a Georgia processing plant, peanuts exported by the same company were found to be contaminated and were returned to the United States, The Associated Press has learned.

The rejected shipment — coming over the U.S. border across a bridge between New York and Canada — was logged by the Food and Drug Administration but never was tested by federal inspectors, according to the government's own records.

The chopped peanuts from Peanut Corp. of America in Blakely, Ga., were prevented by the FDA from being allowed back into the United States in mid-September because the peanuts contained an unspecified "filthy, putrid or decomposed substance, or is otherwise unfit for food," according to an FDA report of the incident.

It was not immediately clear whether the date on the government's record, Sept. 15, was when the unspecified importer rejected the shipment or when the FDA refused it. It also was not known whether the peanut shipment ultimately was destroyed or sent somewhere else.

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So I wonder why the FDA did not bother to follow up on this company, which apparently was shipping contaminated food? Did it not occur to them that this company might endanger the lives of the general population? So much for protecting the General Welfare.
 
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The dirty little secret.

ATLANTA - A federal probe into a deadly salmonella outbreak has exposed a dirty secret: Food producers in most states are not required to alert health regulators if internal tests show possible contamination at their plants.

The legal loophole surfaced this week when federal investigators disclosed internal Peanut Corp. of America reports that documented at least 12 positive tests for salmonella between 2007 and 2008 at their Blakely, Ga., plant, which has been identified as the source of the nationwide outbreak. In each case, the plant did not alert state or federal regulators.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28919975/

This is what a good lobbyist can buy.:mad:

Many states allow industry to be self reporting. Companies in Arizona only need to submit a monitoring plan to the state. From there on they are on the honor system.

One industrial company in Tucson, Brush Wellman, processes and machines beryllium for the DOD. A routine check for lead in at a public school located one mile away revealed beryllium in the soil

In this case the company's own monitoring records showed no evidence of emissions of beryllium dust.
 

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