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Period of tethered satellites

  1. Aug 22, 2014 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Two satellites connected by a string revolve in concentric circular orbits of radius r and 2r
    Two satellites of equal masses m revolve around the planet of mass M. The satellites have extremely small mass compared to the planet, m≪M. The radii of the orbits of the satellites are r and 2r. The satellites are connected by a light string, directed along the radius of the orbit, that keeps their periods of revolution equal. Find the force of tension Fτ in the string.


    2. Relevant equations

    I first drew an FBD and wrote the Newton's Second Law equations for both satellites, keeping in mind circular motion: (equation 1 corresponds to the inner satellite, and 2 to the outer)

    (1) ∑ F = m(a_c1) = F_g1 - Fτ

    (2) ∑ F = m(a_c2) = F_g2 + Fτ

    Also, since I am given that the periods of revolution are constant, I used the following formula's defining the period:

    (Kepler's 3rd law) T^2 = 4*pi^2*α^3/(G*M)
    [α is the semi-major axis of an elliptical orbit... in this case either of the two given radii]
    [ G is the universal gravitational constant, but can be expressed simply as G for the sake of the problem.]

    and T = 2*pi*r/v_orbital, which can also be written as 2*pi/√(a_c/r)


    3. The attempt at a solution

    I used the two equations for the period to determine a value for a_c1 (i chose to work with the inner sattellite, so α = r..)

    Thus:

    T^2 = 4*pi^2*α^3/(G*M) = 4*pi^2*r/a_c1, given that α = r

    we should get 4*pi^2*r^3/(G*M) = 4*pi^2*r/a_c1

    --> G*M/r^2 = a_c

    The issue with this is that if this is indeed the centripetal acceleration, then Fτ = zero when I plug the centripetal acceleration into equation (1)..

    I'm stumped. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance!
     
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  4. Aug 22, 2014 #3

    Orodruin

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    Kepler's laws hold for an orbiting object which is only subject to the gravitational force from the object it orbits. Is the only force on either object gravity?
    Hint: The law would also give different periods for the two satellites, and you have already stated they should be the same...
     
  5. Aug 22, 2014 #4
    There are two forces acting upon each mass: the gravitational force due to the planet and the tension force of the tether connecting them. I guess this would mean that I cannot use kepler's equation for period then... In that case, how can I endeavor to find the centripetal acceleration?
     
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  6. Aug 22, 2014 #5
    also thank you for the prompt response
     
  7. Aug 22, 2014 #6

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    What is the acceleration needed for an object to stay in a circular orbit? How can you relate this to the forces acting on the satellites?
     
  8. Aug 22, 2014 #7
    the acceleration needed for an object to stay in circular orbit is a_c = v^2/r. I related this to the forces acting upon the satellite through my Newton's second law equations, considering the sum of the forces acting upon the satellite to be equal to m*a_c
     
  9. Aug 22, 2014 #8
    however this leaves me with a velocity that I cannot find..
     
  10. Aug 22, 2014 #9

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    What is the velocity of an object in circular orbit at radius r with period T? (Or angular velocity ω if you prefer - I know I do ...)
     
  11. Aug 22, 2014 #10
    The velocity of an object in circular orbit at radius r with period T is v = 2*r/T, or for angular ω = 2*pi/T
     
  12. Aug 22, 2014 #11
    but how can i use the period?
     
  13. Aug 22, 2014 #12

    Orodruin

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    Well, circumference is 2 pi r, so you are missing a pi but it does not matter much. What can you say about the relation between the angular velocities/periods of the two satellites?

    Hint: You have already said it ...
     
  14. Aug 22, 2014 #13
    oh! thanks for pointing out the mistake. The fact that the satellites have the same period indicates that they have the same angular velocity. I feel like there is something that is blatantly obvious that I am missing :/
     
  15. Aug 22, 2014 #14

    Orodruin

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    So what is the relation between the centripetal acceleration of each satellite and the angular velocity?
     
  16. Aug 22, 2014 #15
    the centripetal acceleration of each satellite is going to be equal to ω^2*r, however I am lacking a value for ω, and I'm not sure how to find it.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2014 #16

    Orodruin

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    That is the centripetal acceleration for the inner satellite. That of the outer is two times that because it is at a larger r. Now if only you had two separate formulas that contain these and one other unknown quantity ...
     
  18. Aug 22, 2014 #17
    so i solved for ω^2*r using one of my equations and plugged that into the other to solve for tension. My result was F_T= 3*m*M*G/8/r^2, which is wrong according to the grader.
     
  19. Aug 22, 2014 #18

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    Can you show your equations and how you got there? It is not the same result as I obtained.
     
  20. Aug 22, 2014 #19
    never mind, it was an algebra error! Thank you friend! I really appreciate the help :)
     
  21. Aug 22, 2014 #20
    i reworked it, having left out a 2. This threw my answer off by a lot, because I didn't distribute it and so on.
     
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