Isn't that what I said?Tom Mattson said:Yeah, if the energy comes from the magnetic fields, and the magnetic fields deminish(sic), then the energy diminishes, too. Hence, you do not have a perpetual motion machine.
Tom: Yeah, if the energy comes from the magnetic fields, and the magnetic fields deminish(sic), then the energy diminishes, too. Hence, you do not have a perpetual motion machine.
Trilairian: Isn't that what I said?
DaveC426913 said:I didn't find Trilairian's statement ambiguous.
By stating where the energy ultimately comes from, he is clearly disqualilfying it as a PMM.
I can't even tell what is supposed to be happening from this diagram.Trilairian said:
Would it work (seek equilibrium, that is) if that were the end view of 3 bar magnets riding in horizontal slots?DaveC426913 said:Yes, it would merely stop at equilibrium.
If it were possible to build such a device.
Which it isn't.
What you're describing could be made fairly easily. 3 bar magnets with all N ends and all S ends together. If the end magnets were fixed and the middle magnet could slide, the middle magnet would behave exactly like a spring if pulled to one side and released. It would eventually come to rest more or less equidistant from the end magnets.Danger said:Would it work (seek equilibrium, that is) if that were the end view of 3 bar magnets riding in horizontal slots?
:uhh: :uhh: That's possibly misleading. Technically correct, I guess, since time in our universe began with the same incident as everything else, but there was still a beginning and eventually there'll be some kind of end when entropy has fulfilled it's duties. (I think... )Lapin Dormant said:going on since time = 0 stopping at time = ∞ or who knows?
Aye, there's the rub. 'Perpetual' means 'without end'.Lapin Dormant said:.. .. .. .. .. till the end .. .. .. .. ..
.. .. .. .. And if the end, and the beginning, are the same thing, then it is Peeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrpetual! We will all Need to wait just a Little bit to find that out .. .. .. .. .. .. ..Danger said:Aye, there's the rub. 'Perpetual' means 'without end'.
I haven't defined it, simply noted that they could be the same thing, so the 'perpetual' is beyond the scope of human thought.Danger said:You've got me a bit confused there, but I wonder if this might be starting to drift into philosophy. Defining the beginning and end of time is probably beyond the scope of this forum.
By the way, why on Earth do you keep leaving that trail of Trix behind you?
The only way I could ever think of would be to make a hollow sphere in parts. Magnetize it so the outside was all one pole, and the inside the other, then bond the parts together strongly.extreme_machinations said:ok this might seem like a very stupid question ,still can anyone relieve me of my ignorance about how to isolate a single magnetic pole ?
I might know what you're talking about. This is a hollow wheel with hollow spokes on a hollow cylindrical shaft. Inside is some volatile liquid, and a hanging, weighted port opening and closing mechanism. As the wheel turns, the liquid flows into a spoke, over balancing that side of the wheel putting torque on it. However, since it's volatile it vaporizes before it stops the wheel at BDC. The vapor is lead back into the cylindrical shaft where it condenses back into a liquid. It keeps running so long as the shaft temperature is kept below the vaporization point of the liquid, which can be done by just keeping it wet. It's not perpetual motion: just a low temperature differential heat engine. If we're talking about the same thing.does anyone know about the vapour -wheel perpetual motion machine ?
extreme_machinations said:ok this might seem like a very stupid question ,still can anyone relieve me of my ignorance about how to isolate a single magnetic pole ?
That's the operating principle behind http://www.mmmetals.com/pages/heat_pipe_heat_sinks/heat_pipe_heat_sink.htm" heat exchangers, btw.extreme_machinations said:Yupp ! Thats Exactly What I Was Talking About .