Perry Mason in court in literature

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The discussion centers on the realism of courtroom proceedings as depicted in the "Perry Mason" novels by Erle Stanley Gardner, particularly in comparison to the TV series. Participants explore the accuracy of Gardner's portrayal of legal procedures and the influence of his background as a lawyer on his writing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that courtroom proceedings in the "Perry Mason" novels may be more realistic than those in the TV series, with one member stating that Gardner kept courtroom procedure fairly close to reality.
  • Others argue that while Gardner was a lawyer, he may have fictionalized aspects of courtroom procedures for dramatic effect, raising questions about the authenticity of his portrayals.
  • A participant mentions the difficulty of assessing the realism of Gardner's work without direct quotes or insights from Gardner himself regarding his views on courtroom realism.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about their familiarity with the novels, with one recalling only vague memories of a single story.
  • There is a repeated inquiry into whether other forum members have read enough of the novels to provide insights into Gardner's portrayal of courtroom procedures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the realism of courtroom procedures in the "Perry Mason" novels. Multiple competing views remain regarding the balance between authenticity and dramatization in Gardner's writing.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the lack of specific quotes from Gardner that might clarify his intentions regarding realism, as well as the potential changes in courtroom procedures over time since Gardner's practice as a lawyer.

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The depiction of courtroom proceedings in the TV series "Perry Mason" was unrealistic - but how realistic was the portrayal of courtroom proceedings in the Perry Mason novels?

I haven't read many of the Perry Mason novels. In the few I read, Perry Mason, like any good lawyer, settled things without going to trial.
 
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Criminal cases - defense lawyer defends his client at trial - there may be plea bargaining, but he not the one who decides if a trial is warranted from the evidence.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erle_Stanley_Gardner

Gardner, author of the novels, was, in fact a lawyer. However, he also confessed to writing for maximum effect. The former fact means he had easy access to the inside reality of courtroom procedure. The latter, though, makes it conceivable he might have fictionalized just about anything necessary to pull the reader into the novel.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
The latter, though, makes it conceivable he might have fictionalized just about anything necessary to pull the reader into the novel.

But did he?

Has any forum member read many of the Perry Mason novels? - enough to comment on how Gardner portrayed courtroom procedure.
 
256bits said:
Criminal cases - defense lawyer defends his client at trial - there may be plea bargaining, but he not the one who decides if a trial is warranted from the evidence.

Have you read any of the Perry Mason novels?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
But did he?
Obviously, I don't know. The fact he was actually a lawyer is a good sign vis a vis realism, and I wanted to mention it.

What you're looking for is some quote he might have left that would reveal his attitude about how realistic or not he felt he needed to be about courtroom proceedings.

Gardner started practicing law over a hundred years ago, so it's a hard question to answer outside of a quote like that, or finding someone who is a 'courtroom procedure historian.' I'm betting things aren't the same now as in his day.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Have you read any of the Perry Mason novels?
One story many years ago. That was the only Perry Mason book in the house. Vague memory of what it was about.

The TV show was all the rage at the time, especially when selection was one or two channels for many households.
The "pick one program and watch it!" wasn't in the vocabulary yet for dads.

When Raymond Burr went onto Ironside, I do remember being a little bit disillusioned to the fact as he being not Perry Mason.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
But did he?

Has any forum member read many of the Perry Mason novels? - enough to comment on how Gardner portrayed courtroom procedure.
I have read almost all of his novels and in the books he kept court room procedure fairly close to reality. He was an attorney and knew proper court room procedure and would research the things he did not know.
The early TV shows stayed pretty close to his novels and even used the titles given them by ESG, latter episodes stated that they were based on the characters created by ESG.
 

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